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    Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

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    Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by frinik on Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:06 pm

    We could make a campaign for the Panther  A & D about the heavy fighting in the Mius river area in August 1943.


    Good source for quotes:
    http://www.oocities.org/desertfox1891/pzpanther/pzpanther-inaction.html

    "Our platoon moved through a pine forest. The vibrations of the heavy tanks resulted in a steady 'rain' of pine needles. After a short time, the first tank broke down, and other followed. We examined the incident. The pineneedles had fallen into the air inlets and blocked it. The respective engines had stopped almost immediately. As a stop-gap solution we welded a perforated bucket over the rear air inlet".
    Gefreiter Werner Kriegel, Pz.Abt. 51





    History note:
    In early March 1944, the 5 SS Wiking was sent to assist in the defence of Kovel, which was under threat from a strong advancing Soviet 1st Belorussian Front.
    Major General Herbert Gille was given command of the rear services units defending Kowel. He led his men towards the town and began setting up a defensive perimeter, which was soon encircled by the Red Army.
    The 2nd Battalion, SS Panzer Regiment 5 Wiking, equipped with newly arrived Panther ausf. A tanks arrived at the front from Germany and began to form a relief unit. The unit was under the command of Obersturmführer Karl Nicolussi Leck, commander of the 8th Company, 2nd Battalion, SS Panzer Regiment 5 Wiking. Nicolussi Leck immediately launched an attack. Soon after beginning the attack, he received a radio message from the besieged commander to halt his attack and withdraw. Leck ordered his radio operator to ignore the call, and continue with the attack. Risking court-martial, Nicolussi-Leck proceeded to fight his way though the Red Army encirclement. His Panther tank was the first vehicle to break the encirclement, for his actions he was awarded the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross.
    Throughout March and into April 1944, Wiking Division, 131 Infantry Division, 4 Pz. Division and 5 Pz. Division, fought to break the encirclement of the "Kowel pocket" and finally succeeded on 6th Apr.

    BRIEFING(spoiler):

    Initial situation:
    The spearhead of the German Kampfgruppe under command of SS-Gruppenfuhrer Gille was cut off by the enemy from our main forces and now it is in Kowel in encirclement. They badly need a fire support with our tanks to keep on the defencive position. There is a strongpoint hold on with a group of Hauptmann Strecker. The goal of the mission is a striking through the Soviet forces in Kowel town and halting them while a counteroffensive could be launched.

    Combat order:
    There are two tank groups of the 5th SS Panzer Regiment, which take part in action:
    1. Advanced squad under command SS-Oberscharfuhrer Faas, which consist of four Panthers with a desant (ride infantry).
    2. Lead squad under command SS-Obersturmfuhrer Karl Nicolussi-Leck, which consist of four Panthers with a desant.
    The task is capturing a railroad station Czerkasy, then move to the Strecker's strongpoint to help our encircled forces to repel the enemy attack.
    It is 9:30 AM on 28 March. SS-Obersturmfuhrer Karl Nicolussi-Leck faced his regimental commander. "Hannes" Muhlenkamp, as he was known to his regiment, began to speak:
    "Nico, you will move off at 3:00 PM and advance with your entire company to Tupaly. There you will be subordinated to the 131st Infantry Division. How many battleworthy tanks do you have?"
    "Exactly 7 Panthers, Obersturmbannfuhrer. As well there are the recovery tanks and ten Mulis (armored tracked vehicles)".
    "Outstanding," replied Muhlenkamp sarcastically. "The 434th Grenadier Regiment will provide volunteer assault teams who will ride with you on the tanks. I myself will drive ahead to Tupaly with Standartenfiihrer Richter at 1:00 PM and scout the terrain. Dismissed".

    Your Task:
    You are SS-Obersturmfuhrer Karl Nicolussi-Leck. There are three tanks Pz.V "Panther" ausf. A and desant (18 infantrymen mounted on the tanks) under your command.
    You have to:
    1. Together with Faas squad attack and capture the railroad station Czerkasy.
    2. Move to the Strecker's strongpoint.
    3. Repel the enemy tank attack.

    Callsigns:
    Your group is WOLF
    Faas group is MOULTIER

    Reconnaissance:
    According to the recce report there is a presence of four Soviet rifle divisions. The enemy has many AT guns, MG nests, trenches with infantry and tanks T-34. Almost all area is covered with a swamp.

    Artillery Support: No

    Air Support: No

    The commander of the 5th SS Panzer Division "Wiking" Obersturmbannfuhrer Johannes-Rudolf Muhlenkamp.

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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by lockie on Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:57 pm

    frinik wrote:we could make a campaign for the Panther  A & D about the heavy fighting in the Mius river area in August 1943.
    That's a GOOD idea!
    I'm pretty sure there are many users who likes "Panther" and prefer this tank to other.
    So, new Campaign devoted to "Panther" will be highly appreciated and welcome!
    Of course, we need a new polygon (or even a couple). I think it's possible to recreate it.
    Then let's start to compile the info. First we need conception:
    1. map where action take place. better to give a link through Google map or any other maps with a height indication.
    2. Who will be the hero: Wehrmacht or SS officer?
    3. History note:
    - when action take place
    - what the unit took part (4th Panzer Army, Division, Regiment?)
    4. mission quantity: I think 10 will be enough.
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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by lockie on Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:03 pm

    frinik wrote:Why not try porting the Mius maps to SF? Even in small bits...
    Direct port is impossible even for the Graviteam devs.
    We may get smth. similar, coz AFAIK Graviteam used original height map from "Google Earth" or whatever. In this case, we may pick up the same area and take it as a a base. All other deatails are just candies. I mean: trees, houses, bushes, trenches etc.

    I can write scenarios after doing some reading.
    That would be nice! I think we may use the same idea as with "Shultze Diary".

    We could have a mix of Wehrmacht and SS Panzer Kommandant.
    I'd prefer to have a deal with one hero. In this way, the whole Campaign looks closer to reality.

    I'll have to read and see what material I can find. I may make also 4 Soviet mission along with 6 German ones.
    U may try to find an appropriate map from Google and suggest some variants of the missions. What is supposed to be as a Campaign name?
    "Fury Panther", "Kill the beast", "Predator of the war"...?


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    Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by lockie on Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:24 pm

    frinik wrote:May be Claws of Steel? I don't know yet. Need to read first and think of good scenarios.
    Sounds good! What abt. "Panther in action", "Claws of the beast", "Best of the beast"
    I think scenario should start from the next sentence:
    Pz. V Panther first saw the battle in summer 1943. It was an year of the German power of the steel beasts. Lieutenant Ulrich Walter was one of those who received this steel monster under his command.
    Then we should pick up the tank unit for the Panther D.
    For the first mission we may use already prepared polygon and mission by Stone2009.
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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by lockie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:19 pm

    Let's the draft name will be "Steel Beast".
    So, first questions are: what is the name of the main hero? And how did he get the "Panther" under his command?
    At this moment we've the next working missions presented with a "Panther"
    1. Chernogostie, June 1944, (Pz.V "Panther" D), GMP1
    2. Prokhorovka, July 12, 1943, 13:00 (Pz.V ausf. D), GMP1
    3. Fury beast, Weissensee, April 1945 (Pz.V F), GMP1
    4. Defend the Fatherland! (Panther ausf. G) partI, GMP2
    5. Cherkasskoe, July 5th, 1943 (Panther ausf. D), GMP2
    6. Saboteur: Panther M-10(ersatz), GMP2
    7. Destroy the enemy HQ! (Panther ausf.G), GMP2
    8. Sieg oder Tod (Pz.V ausf.G "Panther"), GMP3
    9. Seek and Destroy, January 1945 (Pz.V "Panther" G), GMP3
    10. The Panther's last Roar (Pz.V ausf.F "Panther"), GMP3

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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by frinik on Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:25 am

    What I have in mind is focussing on 1943 (August 1943 until the Kowel pocket February 1944 the early period for the Panther with the Ausf A and D being featured. Just 5 or 6 missions including one about relieving the encirclement at Kowel with the winter mod.

    AS for the hero of the mini campaign I suggest a real-life man called Karl Nicolussi-Leck an Austrian who was :


    Karl Nicolussi-Leck

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    Nickname(s)
    Nico

    Born
    14 March 1917
    Vadena, Tyrol

    Died
    31 August 2008 (aged 91)
    Bolzano, South Tyrol

    Allegiance
    Nazi Germany

    Service/branch
    Flag Schutzstaffel.svg Waffen-SS

    Years of service
    1940–45

    Rank
    Hauptsturmführer

    Unit
    SS Division Das Reich
    5th SS Panzer Division Wiking

    Battles/wars
    World War II

    Awards
    Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross
    German Cross in Gold
    Iron Cross 1st Class
    Iron Cross 2nd Class
    Panzer Badge in Silver
    Wound Badge in Silver
    Tank Destruction Badge x 2

    Other work
    Honorary President of the South Tyrolean Center for Education

    Karl Nicolussi-Leck (14 March 1917 – 31 August 2008) was a Hauptsturmführer (Captain) in the Waffen-SS during World War II who was awarded the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross.


    He was quite a remarkable man. In mid April 1945 he and some of his men went to the plant manufacturing the Jagdpanther, took 6 of the vehicle fresh from the plant and used them against the advancing Americans and played cat and mouse game for almost a full week against an US Armoured division before surrendering.I'll try to find more info about him.
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    Post by frinik on Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:30 am

    Here's a narration of Nicolussi-Leck's last fight in April 1945:

    Here's the link to the old forum: http://www.feldgrau.net/forum.html , then just type Leck and you'll find lots of great info posted by Phillip S., Doug Nash, Mirko B. and others.

    Here's a start from Phillip S.'s post. Enjoy.
    story:
    On April 11, while elements of the US 84th Infantry Division continued their advance eastward following the capture of Hannover, a German column was marching on side roads towards them, if neither side changed direction they were destined to meet in and around Langlingen. The German column was that of the SS-Kampfgruppe “Wiking” led by Hauptsturmführer Nicolussi-Leck, which had regrouped in Lehrte and was planning to march North and then Northeast towards Wittingen and ultimately Wittenberge on the Elbe river. The Kampfgruppe consisted of 9 Schützenpanzerwagen, 6 Jagdpanther and one Bergepanzer at this time. Contact with the enemy was not to be avoided; but sought.
    Just outside of Lehrte there was a short firefight with 4 Sherman tanks, 2 were knocked out by the Jagdpanther of Untersturmführer Karl Jauss. In Abbensen the Kampfgruppe met up with tanks from the Lehrabteilung, but they did not want to join the group. Continuing on to Langlingen via Uetze they captured 2 American fuel trucks and captured approximately 50 men, Nicolussi-Leck let them go that evening.

    The Kampfgruppe made it to the forest East of Sandlingen on the morning of April 12 with all its armoured vehicles and over 100 men, including a growing number of stragglers. Immediate reconnaissance showed that the bridges across the Mühlengraben and the Aller near Langlingen were destroyed. A heavily armed Schützenpanzerwagen (equipped with a 20mm gun and commanded by an Obersturmführer) was dispatched to Wienhausen to determine if the bridges there were intact and to hold them until the Kampfgruppe arrived.
    The Schützenpanzerwagen’s crew was primarily made up of Heeres troops included a few officers and NCOs, all told, 12 men.
    At noon the Obersturmführer reached Wienhausen and discovered that the bridges were intact and already equipped with explosive charges. The Schützenpanzerwagen (SPW) took up position on the northern bank of the Aller River, under the bridge; on the outskirts of Oppershausen. The bridge was not big enough to completely conceal the vehicle, which was to have consequences. The crew took up their positions around the bridge at 14:00.
    At the same time the US 333 Regiment arrived in Wienhausen, enroute from Bockelskamp. The American column was not visible from Oppershausen, but the noise would not have gone unnoticed.
    The scout cars at the head of the column slowly drove through the deserted streets of Wienhausen. When they reached the fork in the road leading to Oppershausen they stopped and observed that the bridges were intact and then noticed the rear of the Schützenpanzerwagen protruding from under the bridge. They immediately opened fire and the SPW was hit.
    The SPW crew thought that their own tanks were shooting them at, they were not expecting any American troops this far to the East. Feldwebel Ehrbeck jumped on a bicycle and wildly waving a white cloth, rode towards Wienhausen. By now Capt. Bradford’s 9th Company had gone into position at the outskirts of Wienhausen. The Feldwebel having closed the distance to the Americans to 150 meters realised his mistake and jumped off the bicycle and tried to escape on foot. He was “cut down by a rifleman”. The rest of the German SPW crew took up the firefight with Capt. Bradford’s company from across the Aller River.
    As this engagement was unfolding an artillery battalion arrived in Wienhausen and took up firing positions to assist Capt. Bradford if needed.
    Capt. Bradford still hoped to take the bridge intact and ordered his heavy machine guns to pin down the Obersturmführer and his men so that he could get a few men close enough to disarm the charges and take the bridge. But as the GIs approached the Obersturmführer gave the order to blow the bridge, despite his orders to hold it for the rest of the SS-Kampfgruppe “Wiking”.
    Capt. Bradford continued his attack on Oppershausen and the SPW crew. The men under the Obersturmführer fought off the American attacks for nine hours. They were opposed not only by the 9th Company but also the 11th and the artillery battalion. Oppershausen was virtually destroyed and at least six of the Germans were killed in the fierce fighting. The fate of the remaining five, including the Obersturmführer is not known. Some may have perished in the burning houses others may have escaped or been taken captive.
    In the meantime, the 1st Battalion of the 333 US Regiment passed through Wienhausen bound for Offensen, the Aller bridge at Schwachhausen and ultimately Nordburg.
    Now the bridges to the Northeast and Southeast of the SS-Kampfgruppe “Wiking” were either destroyed or in the hands of the Americans.

    On the morning of April 13 the SS-Kampfgruppe “Wiking” found itself deep behind enemy lines. With the US 333rd Regiment to the north and US 334th Regiment to the south, they were outnumbered on either side 20:1. Their plan was to hold out until the first wave of US troops had cleared the area and then attempt to cross either of the intact Aller crossings. But it was also a Friday.
    The 3rd Battalion of the 334th Regiment had spent the night in Langlingen, where the bridge over the Aller was destroyed. At daybreak they started driving along the train tracks in a westerly direction in search of a suitable crossing. After 3km they came upon the destroyed bridge across the Mühlengraben. They immediately set their engineers to the task of repairing the bridge and sent out patrols to establish a protective perimeter. The patrols quickly ran into the SS-Kampfgruppe “Wiking” in the forest and after a short exchange of gunfire the entire battalion set out to comb through the forested area. Nicolussi-Leck avoided being drawn into a fight where his tanks could not be brought to bear. Besides they were outnumbered 5:1 and there were several other US battalions near by. Nicolussi-Leck and his men broke out of the forest, heading Northwest across the railway tracks and towards the wooded area on the outskirts of Wienhausen. They reached it shortly before 11:00.
    Meanwhile the US artillery battalion was moving out of Wienhausen to take up new firing positions further East. Their path crossed that of the SS-Kampfgruppe “Wiking”. Nicolussi-Leck had his Jagdpanthers open fire at 1,000 meters, setting 5 trucks alight with the first volley. The artillery battalion immediately turned around and took up positions in Wienhausen again.
    The SS-Kampfgruppe “Wiking” bypassed Wienhausen to the south and headed straight for Bockelskamp. From there they fired on a US supply column and destroyed another 4 vehicles. Nonetheless the end seemed in sight.
    The 3rd Battalion of the 333rd Regiment and the 3rd Battalion 334th Regiment formed a semicircle around the SS-Kampfgruppe “Wiking” from the south and the to the north was the Aller River. While the artillery battalion kept a steady barrage of shells raining down on the SS-Kampfgruppe “Wiking”, Nicolussi-Leck and his men searched the town for anyone who could point them to a ford in the river. A young woman told them she knew of a place not far up the river and the Kampfgruppe headed out.
    The Jagdpanthers had no problems crossing the river; the last two each towed a Schützenpanzerwagen behind them. But then the artillery fire set in again and it was pretty accurate. The remaining Schützenpanzerwagen made a dash for it but all ended up getting hopelessly mired in the riverbed. One soldier was killed and 10 wounded.
    The SS-Kampfgruppe “Wiking” regrouped and spent the night in the wooded area East of Ostersloh.

    On the morning of April 14 Nicolussi-Leck ordered his troops to continue their march East in hopes of still linking up with their own lines. Following the loss of so much of their equipment he ordered his men to avoid further engagements with the enemy. He did not know that the US 84th Infantry Division, whose sector he was operating in, had already reached the Elbe River.
    The SS-Kampfgruppe “Wiking” cautiously moved from one wooded area to the next, making frequent stops to observe their surroundings for the telltale signs of enemy troops. They skirted Oppershausen to the north, something that was only made possible by the fact the 3rd Battalion, 333rd Regiment had not yet realised that the SS-Kampfgruppe “Wiking” had already vacated Bockelskamp.
    Nicolussi-Leck and his men were headed towards a swampy area but the Schützenpanzerwagen that were scouting the way for the Kampfgruppe managed to find the only available crossing point for many kilometers, allowing them to continue their march towards the Elbe. Upon reaching the wooded area of the Halzhorn, 3 km south of Hohne, they could hear plenty of motorised traffic to the South from Müden (the armoured elements of the 102nd US infantry Division) and straight ahead to the East was the impassable bog of the Hahnenmoor. The only roads that angled to the east would surely lead the Kampfgruppe to another encounter with the Americans, so Nicolussi-Leck decided to continue through the forest and to attempt to sneak through the open area between Hohne and Ummern to the North.
    Major-General Bolling had moved his headquarters from Hannover to Hohne the day before and he was not alone in Hohne, the US 771st Tank Battalion was being held in reserve in there. Given that the town was secured to the north by the Wiehe River and to the south was largely bog and woods, the 20 Shermans of the 771st Battalion secured the area by guarding the only access points, which were primarily facing South, from where no attack could be expected. And yet, suddenly the sounds of tank tracks could be heard coming from the edge of the bog.
    Nicolussi-Leck had sent his 2 remaining Schützenpanzerwagen along with 3 Jagdpanthers to recon in force while the other 3 Jagdpanthers covered their advance. The Shermans waited until their opponents were only 1,000 meters away before opening fire. Both Schützenpanzerwagen and one Jagdpanther were immediately hit and caught fire. One Jagdpanther managed to break through while the rest of the German tanks opened fire on the Shermans. Even the burning Jagdpanther of Untersturmführer Schüßler, their fourth victim, continued to return fire for a short while.
    Using their 8.8cm guns and 8cm thick frontal armour to their fullest advantage the remaining 3 Jagdpanthers kept up a steady barrage of shells on the 771st Battalion until they had all but suppressed the determined American defence. An attempt by Untersturmführer Jauß to recover the Jagdpanther of Untersturmführer Schüßler failed and resulted in the loss of the Bergepanzer as well.
    Now with a final victory in his grasp, his tanks surrounded by the wounded infantrymen, Nicolussi-Leck ordered a withdrawal into the bog of the Hahnenmoor. The remaining Sherman tanks breathed a sigh of relief when they saw the Jagdpanthers head South.
    One Jagdpanther was lost a short distance into the bog to transmission failure. But the men of the SS-Kampfgruppe “Wiking” had not yet given up. After handing off their wounded to a local shepherd, they formed a raiding party to scare up needed fuel for their Jagdpanthers. During the night they captured 2 American trucks and a Jeep. After driving a short distance into the bog they let their captives go. When the raiding party reached the rest of the Kampfgruppe they checked the contents of the trucks. To their great disappointment, the trucks were carrying flower and sugar, not the fuel they so desperately needed.
    Nicolussi-Leck and the last men of his Kampfgruppe, now down to about 30 strong, knew that they would not make it back to their own lines.

    Epilogue

    Nicolussi-Leck made his final command decision on the morning of April 16. He turned to Obersturmführer Olin and said: “We have flower and need bread. I will look for a baker.” Olin knew what Nicolussi-Leck meant to do and shook his hand one last time.
    Nicolussi-Leck and his adjutant walked back the way they had come and surrendered to the Americans in Hohne.

    Command now fell to Obersturmführer Olin who ordered the 2 captured trucks driven onto the nearby rail tracks and set alight. The remaining 2 Jagdpanthers were driven a short distance into the bog where they would sink from their own weight, the remaining ammunition, only 10 rounds were left, was buried elsewhere.
    4 men carrying machine pistols and Panzerfausts occupied the only remaining vehicle, the captured Jeep. Their plan was to try and reach southern Germany. Their adventurous journey was ultimately successful.
    The rest of the men made their way on foot.
    The Jagdpanther that had broken through at Hohne 2 days earlier was knocked out between the towns of Süderwittingen and Ohrdorf, 5 kilometers South of Wittingen. Four of its crew perished on April 16 and the remaining crewmember, Georg Perchtold, ultimately met his fate on the 20th.
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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by lockie on Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:05 am

    frinik wrote:What I have in mind is focussing on 1943 (August 1943 until the Kowel pocket February 1944  the early period for the Panther with the Ausf A and D being featured. Just 5 or 6 missions including one about relieving the encirclement at Kowel with the winter mod.
    AS for the hero of the mini campaign I suggest a real-life man called Karl Nicolussi-Leck an Austrian who was: Karl Nicolussi-Leck
    OK, let it be Nicolussi-Leck!  :(B:
    history note:
    Kovel, Poland
    After a brief period of rest and refit, the 5 SS Wiking was sent to assist in the defense of Kovel, which was under threat from a strong Soviet force. Gille led his men towards the town and began setting up a defensive perimeter, which was soon encircled by the Red Army. The II.Battalion, SS Panzer Regiment 5 Wiking, newly equipped with Panther tanks, along with the III.Battalion, SS Panzergrenadier Regiment Germania, newly equipped and up to strength, arrived at the front from Germany and began to form a relief unit. The unit was under the command of Obersturmführer Karl Nicolussi Leck, commander of 8.Company, II.Battalion, SS Panzer Regiment 5 Wiking. Nicolussi Leck immediately launched an attack with five tanks. Soon after beginning the attack, he received a radio message from the besieged commander to halt his attack and withdraw. Nicolussi Leck ordered his radio operator to ignore the call, and continue with the attack. Risking court martial, Nicolussi-Leck proceeded to fight his way though the Red Army encirclement, destroying several tanks in the process. His Panther tank was the first vehicle to break the encirclement, for his actions he was awarded the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross.
    After the relief force had established a corridor to the trapped forces, the withdrawal began. Unlike the previous encirclement at Korsun, they managed to escape with most of their equipment intact.

    I've a book by Teodor Hoffmann "5th SS Panzer Division "Wiking""
    There is episode of the battle when Nicolussi-Leck broke out the Soviet defence to the encircled Kowel. Unfortunately, the book in russian and I can't take any quotes and histories Sad I tried to find in internet the original book, but failed. Though, I'm still in searching!  :B+:

    Frinik, can u explain the conception of the new Campaign? Will it be just single missions, which compiled in one pack (kinda GMP) or the whole story with one hero? I supposed to see 10 missions in Campaign, starting from 1943.


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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by frinik on Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:23 pm

    I would say a mini I campaign with 5 Panther missions and one Jadgpanther one to relate the April 1945 episode.
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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by 33lima on Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:05 pm

    Nice piece of detailed history there Frinik, thanks for posting.

    As for the plan, am looking forward to this. A good Panther campaign is long overdue, and one that, like Schulze's Diary, moves from East to West means it can showcase AFVs and units from both theatres, as well as featuring 'upgrades' in the player's mount, as the war progresses.
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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by lockie on Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:29 pm

    frinik wrote:I would say  a mini I campaign with 5 Panther missions and one Jadgpanther one to relate the April 1945 episode.
    I see. But in this way the new Campaign wont be dedicated exclusively to Panther. And I supposed to see 10 missions.

    33lima wrote:A good Panther campaign is long overdue, and one that, like Schulze's Diary, moves from East to West means it can showcase AFVs and units from both theatres, as well as featuring 'upgrades' in the player's mount, as the war progresses.
    That was idea of the new Campaign, but Frinik suggested to change the main conception. I'd prefer pure Panther' Campaign without any other vehicles.

    PS
    I've found video for the mission presentation. Unfortunately, there are no any words abt. Nicolussi-Leck.
    video:


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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by frinik on Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:07 am

    May be because he went against orders?

    Anyway why 10 missions if there's not enough material for it? My idea was to focus on the period August 1943-March 1944 with the D and A models of the Panther. Better less with more quality .I am still reading but I am going to buy Franz Kurovski book which talks about Panzer Aces. The Jagpanther mission with Nikolussi-Leck could be made a single mission .

    I could see a couple of missions featuring fighting in the Mius area. then The Soviet offensives October-December 1943 and Kowel in Feb_March 1944.
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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by lockie on Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:31 am

    frinik wrote:
    Anyway why 10 missions if there's not enough material for it?
    Because 10 missions it is a standard number, where u may present the main conception of the Campaign and present all Panther's types(D,A,G,F). As my point, if we don't have enough material, then let's make a couple single missions. It's easy and no need to make out red line through the whole Campaign. But personally, I'd prefer the whole Campaign with one hero. We may make out that Nikolussi-Leck took part in Kursk battle. Or even take out Nikolussi-Leck(replace him with a fake person) and note that missions based on similar activity.


    My idea was to focus on the period August 1943-March 1944 with the D and A models of the Panther. Better less with more quality.
    That's a good idea, but why in this case only Panthers? There were many other armored vehicles.

    I could see a couple of missions featuring fighting in the Mius area. then The Soviet offensives October-December 1943 and Kowel in Feb_March 1944.
    Do u plan to make it as another Campaign or single missions? In case of single mission, what the scenario will be presented and which side(GER/USR)?

    Members of the Wiking Division with a captured Soviet machine gun on the Eastern Front.
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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by frinik on Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:40 pm

    It would be a Panther Campaign or mini campaign. The Soviet side could be represented by a campaign with the various types of KV-1, 10 missions spread from 1941-1943. I am just tossing ideas.
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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by lockie on Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:46 pm

    frinik wrote:It would be a Panther Campaign or mini campaign.
    What abt. join mini-camp+single missions? Let's say 3-4 missions with Nikolussi-Leck and add some other like Barkmann's corner/Cologne Panther and re-design some missions from GMP's. But in this case we'll lose campaign' conception.
    1. Kursk, 43 (ausf.D)
    2. Kursk, 43 (ausf.D)
    3. Nikolussi-Leck (ausf.D/A)
    4. Nikolussi-Leck (ausf.D/A)
    5. March, 1944, Kovel, Nikolussi-Leck (ausf.A)
    6. Nikolussi-Leck (ausf.D/A)
    7. Barkmann's corner (ausf.A)
    8. Cologne Panther (ausf.A)
    9. ausf.G
    10. ausf.F

    The Soviet side could be represented by a campaign with the various types of KV-1, 10 missions spread from 1941-1943. I am just tossing ideas.
    KV-1 it's interesting! I'd add KV-85 also :B):

    PS
    Finally, I've found the book "Panzer Aces" by Franz Kurowski, where presented description of Nikolussi-Leck battle near Kovel, 1944. Now we've a quotes!

    QUOTES:
    "A hit!" reported the Hauptschafiihrer. From a range of just 400 meters the enemy tank had been an easy target. The second enemy tank, a T-34, fired its gun and almost simultaneously took a direct hit from the "seventy-five" of Unterschafiihrer Herbert's Panther. The Soviet tank immediately caught fire and seconds later its ammunition exploded.
    "Tanks destroyed," Faas reported back to his company commander. "We are pressing on."

    At about 7 PM, by which time things had quieted down, the commander of the Eighth transmitted the following situation report:
    My reconnaissance advance in the direction of Moszczona has shown that a further advance toward Kovel in that direction is almost impossible, first because of the swamp, second because of lack of fuel and third because of the strong antitank defense which is present there' suggesting that the enemy is expecting us in that direction.

    The early morning of 30 March found nine serviceable tanks lined up in a row along the railway embankment. Obersturmfiihrer Nicolussi-Leck gave the order to move out. As he had done on the previous day, Hauptscharfihrer Eugen Faas led the way as the nine tanks set off down the railway embankment. The grenadiers of Hauptmann Bolm followed to the left of the embankment; they deployed in the direction of the forest and tried to keep pace on foot.

    "Have track damage, have to remain here," reported Faas.
    Nicolussi-Leck, who had left his own tank and come forward on foot, said to the Hauptschafiihrer, "Faas, form a strongpoint with the two disabled vehicles and keep this rail line open no matter what. I will leave you sixteen grenadiers to guard your right flank and to handle any Ivans who might want to take a crack at you."

    Nicolussi-Leck resumed his drive toward Kovel with seven tanks The Panthers pushed forward, every minute bringing them nearer to their objective. But just one hour after their departure all hell broke loose at the strongpoint. The two immobilized Panthers came under fire from antitank guns, artillery, mortars and finally even from "Stalin Organs."

    "Everyone advance together, into them!"
    The tank engines roared at full power and the vehicles leapt forward. Soon afterwards they reached the Soviet blocking position in front of the German strongpoint Strecker. They rolled over the Soviet trenches, crushing gun positions and machine-gun nests, and then German steel helmets appeared before them. One man shouted something to them. Others cheered for joy and waved their arms. They had done it and had breached the enemy's ring around the city. They were inside the pocket.

    It was exactly 7:30 AM when the tanks under Nicolussi-Leck reached the Kovel railway loop and established contact with Hauptmann Strecker.
    "You've come just in time Nicolussi-Leck. You must take out two antitank guns which are dug in behind the ruins. They are constantly taking out our corner positions."
    "Of course, we'd be pleased to take care of it."

    After granting Hauptmann Strecker's request the tanks formed up and drove straight to the center of Kovel. At 8:10 AM they stopped in front of Gruppenfuhrer Gille's command post.
    " Gruppenfuhrer, I wish to report the arrival of the Eighth Company with seven panzers."
    Gille shook hands with the Tirolean.
    "Thank you Nicolussi-Leck! You have helped us a great deal. Now I am certain that we will make it."


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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by 33lima on Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:54 pm

    FWIW I think the unit is more important than the name of the player character. The fame of tank divisions like the US 2nd Armored, the British 11th Armoured and many a Wehrmacht and Waffen SS Panzer Division lends any SF career or campaign a strong sense of time, place and unit history - instant immersion.

    Specifically, for me at any rate, a linked set of missions featuring the Panthers of 5th SS Panzer is appealing, regardless of the player character's name. Famous tank, famous unit = a big head start.

    If it can also feature a real-life character, and is based on that character's real career or memoirs, well that is of course an additional plus, icing on the panzer-cake. Though picking an imaginary character enables you to follow the career of a famous division, regardless of whether a real-life character fought with it in every battle you want to feature.

    Five missions is probably a reasonable minimum for a campaign or career, but if the work can stretch further, fine.

    Likewise fine, if it spans a period long enough to feature a change of vehicle or two, like getting more modern Panther variants just as the real unit would have done. Or the Jadgpanther if the unit or player had these at some point.

    The Panther version I'd most like to see in a campaign/career is the Ausf. A. But sticking with a famous, real-life unit is important, to give things a better sense of continuity and history, better than jumping around between vehicles and units. Schulze's Diary possibly stretched the unit-swapping a bit too far, although that was necessary for that particular campaign, and should not be, or less so, for a Panther campaign.
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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by frinik on Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:38 am

    The good about the Mius is we can use many of the stock maps such as Izyum and Barvenkovo ones as they are located in the Mius region where the late summer 1943 Soviet offensives took place.
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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by lockie on Wed Jul 06, 2016 6:52 am

    I still can't see the main story of the Campaign. I see yet another GMP, which will be filled up with a Panther's missions. I can't say it'll be bad version - another GMP under the name "Steel beast", but without main line it won't be the full-value Campaign.
    As my point, compilation "Schulze's Diary" is near a perfect how Campaign should look like.
    May be it should be a tanker' memories from the 5th Panzer Division, who recalls the events and his friends on arms? He will be a fake person, but his memories will be based on the true stories.

    Panther "801" of the lI./SS-Panzer-Regiment 5 "Wiking" preparing for action. Nicolussi-Leck can be seen in the commander's hatch.
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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by frinik on Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:03 am

    Why the fixation about campaigns? The war wasn't a collection of campaigns only but individual battles, small scale offensives, local fighting . Most German tankers were shifted from one theatre to the other constantly from the East front to Italy, North Africa , France wherever they were needed or their unit was transferred. Why do we need to have one character only who is moving from one battle to the other. This is not Call of Duty World at War or Red Orchestra.... Anyway I personally don't care about one fictitious character or hero I am interested in real persons who made , fought and died in that war.
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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by lockie on Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:49 pm

    frinik wrote:Why the fixation about campaigns?
    Because it is the main request to present Campaign. There should be smth. common, i.e. hero or area of activity. If not then it'll be yet another GMP. Of course, another GMP it is good thing, but I think the full-value Campaign with one hero is more preferable and interesting one then another compilation of the missions.

    The war wasn't  a collection of campaigns only  but individual battles
    I think it was, ie. Poland, Eastern Campaign, Africa, West...
    individual battles were a parts of Campaign. Though, I think that in common sense Germany lost individual battle with USA, Britain, Soviet.

    Most German tankers were shifted from one theatre to the other constantly from the East front to Italy, North Africa , France wherever they were needed or their unit was transferred.
    Yes, that's why "Shultze Diary" is a best campaign in the STA mod! Where the main hero shifted from one front to another.

    Why do we need to have one character only who is moving from one battle to the other. This is not Call of Duty World at War or Red Orchestra...
    I'm talking abt. conception. Mentioned game has it. The good sample has "Brothers in arms" also. it's more interesting then another kit of separated missions. We've Campaign devoted to Tiger, where the common thing is area. It's a good sample also.
    We may use the fake memories of Otto Gille (Commander 5th Panzer Division).


    Anyway I personally don't care about one fictitious character or hero I am interested in real persons who made, fought and died in that war.
    Then why it should be the whole Campaign, why not a single mission based on the real activity?
    I like idea with a Kovel breakthrough in March 44. There should be map with double sided railroad, forest, swamp, small village. User has under commanding three Panther "A" and take part in tank attack. The task is a standard: capture village, then repel counter-attack. Or just simple capture the village (repel counter-attack will be on the way).
    AFAIK, there should be T-34/76(42/43), coz T-34/85 appeared in a big quantity only during autumn 44.
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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by frinik on Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:06 pm

    Actually many of the Soviet tanks destroyed at Kowel were Sherman land lease Tanks MA175 as you can see in the Wochenschau:
    \https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQCOzK0TaVo

    The Germans have Panzer IV Ausf H Panther Ausf A and apcs which we can easily find in the ME.We need to find a map with a fairly big village that could pass as the outskirts of Kowel and put Soviet AT , artillery guns, infantry and Sherman land lease tanks and T34/43.
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    Post by 33lima on Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:09 pm

    I have to agree, strongly, with Lockie about the desirability of a player character, serving in one or more named units, as part of a theme binding together a string of missions.

    It is not a coincidence that for single player in combat flight simulators, pilot and unit based-campaigns are a key feature, apart from oddities like the recent IL-2 Battle of Stalingrad, where the lack of this feature is heavily criticised. These campaigns or pilot careers are built around the concept of a player character who serves with a named unit. Many of the better tanksims did the same eg Panzer Commander, M1TP2 and (to a lesser extent) Panzer Elite. They are all like this for a reason ie a high proportion of players value the sense of immersion this brings to the single player experience. You just do not get this from a series of disconnected, or loosely-connected, missions.

    One of the weakest points about SF is that (i) the stock campaigns, while not bad, fail to create this immersive factor, because they are very weak on implementing player character and even a sense of belonging to a particular unit (which is also what binds real soldiers together); and (ii) while it is great to have so many missions featuring so many AFVs, so few of them are arranged into campaigns.
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    Post by frinik on Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:56 am

    All right I'll bow to the majority! Create a fictitious character....
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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by lockie on Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:10 am

    frinik wrote:All right I'll bow to the majority!
    Wise decision! Sad-:
    I'm thinking abt. Gille "unpublished" memories Wink I need a battle story near august-october 1943 where Wiking took part.
    As it appeared The German 1943 summer offensive at Kursk took place without Wiking Division.
    In those times Wiking was near Kharkiv. I'm not sure division had Panthers, but who cares?  Laughing
    In the wake of 'Citadel', a fresh Red Army counteroffensive was launched on 2d August after a  massive artillery and air bombardment. The key centre of Belgorod, north of Kharkiv fell four days later. Around Kharkiv itself, "Wiking" was back in the frame and along with "Das Reich" and "Totenkopf", was thrown into the cauldron to prevent the final loss of the city. Hitler's mantra was predictable: 'Kharkiv must be held.'
    SS-WIKING THE HISTORY OF THE FIFTH SS DIVISION 1941-45 by Rupert Butler.

    BTW

    Contrary to popular legend, the famous Panther tank did not see action with II SS Panzer Corps during Operation Citadel. The only unit to use the Panther at Kursk was the Army's Grossdeutschland Panzer grenadier Division.
    BUT in STA mod edition Grossdeutschland was equipped with a Tigers!(Campaign "Nazi Power") And no any complains yet  :BB:

    PS
    What this insignias does?

    It doesn't look like SS Panzer Division Wiking.
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    Re: Campaign "Steel Beast" (Pz.V "Panther") WIP

    Post by 33lima on Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:38 am

    The excellent Spanish but English-language MIG-Jimenez 2013 book ''Waffen SS Colours' has a profile of a yellow and brown Wiking Pz IVH 213 'as seen on a parade in November 1943 in Russia'. The caption also says that at this time they had no more than 12 Panzer IVs out of less than 50 tanks in total with only 30 operational(the rest maybe Pz III?), The earliest Panthers illustrated in the book are 713 and II 02, said to be early 1944, and in temporary white over sand and green or sand and green+brown.

    Anyway I would suggest either start the campaign in late '43-early '44 and stick to a relatively short set of missions with Panthers in a particular series of battles, which could end with the Cherkassy pocket; or start at Kursk with the new spaced-armour Panzer IIIL. If Wiking wasn't in the right place or didn't have this tank, do a 'Shuzle's Dairy' and have the hero transfer from say 1 or 2 SS Pz to 5 SS Pz.

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