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    33lima
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    Changing the British infantry squads in M3 half-tracks

    Post by 33lima on Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:26 pm

    I can't work out how to do this, maybe someone else can help?

    At the moment, the British infantry squads in M3 half-tracks carry Boys A/T rifles, possibly one for each vehicle. I do not think they have any PIATs.

    This is incorrect. Apart from limited use in tunisia in Spring 1943, by the time the British were using M3 half-tracks as APCs, the Boys was gone and the PIAT had been introduced.

    So, we need to:

    1. get rid of the Boys, for British troops in M3 half-tracks; and

    2. Give them a PIAT, instead. For normal infantry units, the PIAT would usually be with the platoon HQ, only, but infantry sections/squads which had their own vehicle - like the 'motor rifle' troops in M3 half-tracks, might well have a PIAT, for each squad.

    There does seem to be a PIAT in the SF British infantry (pic from the Japanese SF mod site)...



    ...and in the STA_units file, there is a late-war British infantry section,a nd some mention of PIATs (see later). But the 'desants' in the M3s have Boys, and they should have a PIAT. I have not seen a soldier with a PIAT in the 23rd Hussars mission and don't think that they have one.

    This is the STA_units entry, for the M3 troops (the 23rd Hussars mission uses map2e_gbr, because this best represents an infantry platoon - platoon HQ in one half-track, and an infantry section (=US 'squad') in each of the other three half-tracks:

    APC M3 half-truck GBR
    txt_med_mapc2_gbr() {1õ APC M3 Com.;}
    txt_med_platoon_mapc2a_gbr() {1x APC M3 Com. with infantry;}
    txt_med_platoon_mapc2d_gbr() {1x APC M3 Com. + 2x APC M3 with infantry;}
    txt_med_platoon_mapc2e_gbr() {1x APC M3 Com. + 3x APC M3 with infantry;}

    These are the STA_units entries for British infantry, and they include PIATs and a late-war (1944) squad:

    txt_med_ptl_gbr() { Commander company ; }
    txt_med_com_gbr() { Commander platoon ; }
    txt_med_infantry_gbr1() { Infantry squad (10x soldiers); }
    txt_med_infantry_gbr3() { RPG/PIAT Infantry squad; }
    txt_med_infantry_gbr4() { Infantry platoon; }
    txt_med_infantry_gbr2() { Infantry squad mod. 1944; }
    txt_med_infantry_gbr5() { Infantry platoon mod. 1944; }
    txt_med_ptr_gbr() { ATR branch; }
    txt_med_platptr_gbr() { ATR platoon mod. 1941; }
    txt_med_piat_gbr() { PIAT branch; }

    But I can't work out how to put a PIAT operator in the platoon commander's M3, or in all the M3s. I'm assuming they are not there now - in many play-throughs of the 23rd Hussars mission I saw A/T rifles, but I don't think I ever saw a PIAT - I may be wrong.

    Also, I can't work out how to take the Boys AT rifles away from the troops that sue the M3s now.

    We can leave the AT rifles in any squads using the Bren Carrier, and in early war dismounted infantry, but the British infantry in M3 half-tracks need to lose their A/T rifles and (if not there already!) get at least one PIAT, instead.

    Any ideas, anyone? TIA!
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    Re: Changing the British infantry squads in M3 half-tracks

    Post by lockie on Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:39 pm

    33lima wrote:
    1. get rid of the Boys, for British troops in M3 half-tracks and

    2. Give them a PIAT, instead. For normal infantry units, the PIAT would usually be with the platoon HQ, only, but infantry sections/squads which had their own vehicle - like the 'motor rifle' troops in M3 half-tracks, might well have a PIAT, for each squad.
    At this moment STA has infantry 1942mod. Commander squad is:
    gbr_squad_com_btrinf,150,1,gbru_sergant,1,gbru_autogunner1,2,gbru_rifleman,3,gbru_ptrman,1,gbru_mgunner,1,gbru_radioman,1,gbru_autogunner2,1;//inf. squad APC M3 Com., 1942
    gbru_ptrman is BOYS
    gbru_rpgman is PIAT

    So, it's possible to add 1944mod.
    gbr_squad_com44_btrinf,150,1,gbru_sergant,1,gbru_autogunner1,2,gbru_rifleman,3,gbru_rpgman,1,gbru_mgunner,1,gbru_radioman,1,gbru_autogunner2,1;//inf. squad APC M3 Com., 1944
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    Re: Changing the British infantry squads in M3 half-tracks

    Post by 33lima on Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:17 am

    Thanks Lockie, as usual you have the answer!
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    Re: Changing the British infantry squads in M3 half-tracks

    Post by 33lima on Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:51 pm

    OK, that seems to have worked. No more Boys A/T rifles in the four-vehicle M3 half-track platoon.

    And you can just about see one of the PIAT operators we now have instead, partly hidden behind the barrel of the right-hand Sherman, in this pic...



    ...but he's a lot clearer, here...



    Thanks again!
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    Re: Changing the British infantry squads in M3 half-tracks

    Post by lockie on Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:53 am

    Did u add the new unit, ie. "moto-infantry 44mod." or just replaced the current one? I thought to add "rpg platoon", ie 4xPIAT+4xSoldiers
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    Re: Changing the British infantry squads in M3 half-tracks

    Post by 33lima on Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:33 pm

    I added two new '44' rows, based on the gbr_squad_inf1 and gbr_squad_com squads, but numbered '44' and with a PIAT instead of a Boys.

    I edited the M3 half-track entry, to replace the existing 'desant' squads (which had a Boys in each vehicle). I did this just for the "1xcommand-3xAPC" option, unit reference "mapc2e", IIRC. The other M3 desant squads should be done the same way, because by the time the British made much use of the M3, the Boys had gone and the PIAT had arrived - so we don't need a new M3 platoon unit, just the desant squads replaced, for the M3 APCs we have now.

    I didn't do this for the Universal Carriers, because a Boys is fine for them. By the later war period Carriers were not really used as APCs, more in other more specialised roles.

    I think we already have dismounted infantry units, with a PIAT.

    I definitely don't think we need a squad with more than one PIAT - they are not one-shot Panzerfausts and I hope the PIATs can be reloaded! For 1944-45 British infantry, we need:

    - for APC-mounted troops, one PIAT operator for each vehicle; and

    - for non-APC-mounted troops, on PIAT operator in each platoon command squad.

    Another useful mod would be to replace the 'officer' figure with a peaked cap. Never seen on a battlefield. He should be wearing his 'battle bowler'/'tin hat'. Perhaps he could be replaced by the NCO, even if this means he carries an SMG. This is probably easy. Many officers carried rifles or SMGs, partly so they did not make an obvious target. In my day, the personal weapon for platoon leaders in infantry units was an SLR, for much the same reason I am sure.

    It would also be better if 1944-45 infantrymen with SMGs had a Sten Gun, not a Thompson, but that may be more difficult, I think only tank crews have Stens.
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    Re: Changing the British infantry squads in M3 half-tracks

    Post by kapulA on Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:52 pm

    The weapon & headgear changes are much simpler than changing squad composition, at least for me. Smile Just go to data\k42\loc_rus\levels\LEVELS\hum_cfg and edit eng.engcfg or brit.engcfg, I'm not sure of the exact name, but it's pretty intuitive. In the file you'll find infantry classes/ranks and you can edit their individual weapons & headgear. Perhaps an ideal solution would be to create an new autogunner variant (call it autogunner44 or whatever) and have them use Stens, so Thompsons are not erased from Africa missions...
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    Re: Changing the British infantry squads in M3 half-tracks

    Post by 33lima on Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:26 am

    Thanks for the tip, Kapula. The more realistic I can get the British 1944-45 troops, the better, and every little touch will help. Yes, best to preserve 'Africa' variants, too!

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