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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by lockie on Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:06 pm

    Pointer wrote:
    One more question about "RUDY".
    If someone select pa_rudi for 3 or (4) tank platoon, the numbers will be 102,103,104,(105).
    But "RUDY" should appear only on 102.
    That's a good question. I've already thought abt. it. My idea is: if user select "pa_rudi_102_4" it does he has platoon with four tanks: 102(with logo "RUDY"), 103,104,105(no logo, it does we've to create a new tank without mark "rudy").
    The common insignia will be:
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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by Pointer on Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:35 pm

    lockie wrote:That's a good question. I've already thought abt. it. My idea is: if user select "pa_rudi_102_4" it does he has platoon with four tanks: 102(with logo "RUDY"), 103,104,105(no logo, it does we've to create a new tank without mark "rudy").

    U mean 2 entries in t34_42.engcfg:
    t34_42p()
    and
    t34_42p_rudy()  ?

    It shouldn't be a new problem. How it was solved in case of special marked M3 "Lee" in the mission based on "Sahara" movie?
    Also "Fury" mission has the same problems.

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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by lockie on Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:12 am

    Pointer wrote:U mean 2 entries in t34_42.engcfg:
    t34_42p()
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    t34_42p_rudy() ?
    In a way yes, but I'm still hesitating. As for Fury/Sahara it's easy to make smth. special, coz I know what for theses insignias. I mean - first mission, then attributes.

    Here's first time attempt to implement insignia "Eagle".

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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by Lord Haw-Haw on Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:04 pm

    As far as the Eagle.
    I have this dry transfer/decal sheet for my 1/16th scale T-34/85 radio controlled tank -didn't use the polish ones:
    http://www.archertransfers.com/AR16010.html



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    ....the driver (expression) just saw smoke and recoil come from a Jagdtiger's 128mm aimed at him!!!
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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by Pointer on Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:43 pm

    lockie wrote:Here's first time attempt to implement insignia "Eagle".

    Remark #1: the Eagle is impured and the numbers perfectly clean. IMO, impurity should be common for both.

    Remark #2 about the shape.
    I recommend this one as the master for 1. Armoured Brigade
    (btw. textures "like" power of 2, so here is 256x256)





    Lord Haw-Haw wrote:As far as the Eagle.
    I have this dry transfer/decal sheet for my 1/16th scale T-34/85 radio controlled tank -didn't use the polish ones:

    Beautiful model!

    Polish Army (in the East) units hadn't separate divisional insignias.
    Instead of them, they differed with style and framing of national insignias.
    And so, single continous circle around the White Eagle indicated to 2. Armoured Brigade of 1. Armoured Corps.
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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by lockie on Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:42 pm

    Pointer wrote:
    Remark #1
    Remark #2
    I just made insignia as an example for the further mod development. There should be a callsigns also. Smth. like that:
    camel, horse, deer, giraffe, bizone, mule, gazelle, antelope, buffalo, zebra, ram, moose, tapir, llama, hog


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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by frinik on Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:36 am

    Wow so many animals. Let's change the name of the game to Steel Furry... Wink

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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by Tanker on Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:04 am

    There should be a Noah's Ark icon.
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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by woofiedog on Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:04 am

    lockie & Pointer... Unfortunately, I can't put on the logo "RUDY" on the tank hull.

    It is a great looking T-34 tank insignia. Cool
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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by Pointer on Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:50 am

    And here my proposition




    @ Lockie:

    I've also found, that T-34 M42 is not ready for 3-digits tactical numbers.
    It's 3d model as so far has no  the s-class chunks for placing prefix (constant part) of the number.

    But before implementation of the Polish Army, I suggest the following simplifcation of T-34/76 M42 "Mickey Mouse" and T-34/85.
    They both have 2 versions: "standard" and "desant", and each one uses separate 3d model.
    But the only difference of the "desant" 3d models is that they have additional s-class chunks of passanger places.
    Those extra chunks don't conflict in any way with "normal" non-desant vesions of those tanks.
    So, IMO, both "normal" and "desant" should use one, common version of 3d model only.
    In this way it will be easier to implement further modifications.
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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by lockie on Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:09 pm

    Pointer wrote:And here my proposition
    Looks nice! I may send u my file in psd(I work only in Photoshop) format and u may replace current insignia on the new one, then re-send it to me.


    I've also found, that T-34 M42 is not ready for 3-digits tactical numbers.
    It's 3d model as so far has no  the s-class chunks for placing prefix (constant part) of the number.
    I didn't pay attention to it. Would u like to fix the numbers(add additional s_chunk for the numbers)?

    I suggest the following simplifcation of T-34/76 M42 "Mickey Mouse" and T-34/85. They both have 2 versions: "standard" and "desant", and each one uses separate 3d model.
    But the only difference of the "desant" 3d models is that they have additional s-class chunks of passenger places.
    Not exactly. Both models has chunks of passenger places, but they available only for the desant tank.
    The differ is in the file t34_42d_places.engcfg and t34_42_places.engcfg

    Those extra chunks don't conflict in any way with "normal" non-desant versions of those tanks. So, IMO, both "normal" and "desant" should use one, common version of 3d model only. In this way it will be easier to implement further modifications.
    That's a good idea! We may use only one 3D model, but with a differ config files. But it needs to be tested.
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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by Pointer on Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:44 am

    lockie wrote:
    Pointer wrote:And here my proposition
    Looks nice! I may send u my file in psd(I work only in Photoshop) format and u may replace current insignia on the new one, then re-send it to me.
    Of course. I use GIMP, but AFAIK it reads and writes PSD format.
    Exact replacement is possible, only if sizes are the same. My is 128x128.

    I suggest the following simplifcation of T-34/76 M42 "Mickey Mouse" and T-34/85. They both have 2 versions: "standard" and "desant", and each one uses separate 3d model.
    But the only difference of the "desant" 3d models is that they have additional s-class chunks of passenger places.
    Not exactly. Both models has chunks of passenger places, but they available only for the desant tank.
    The differ is in the file t34_42d_places.engcfg and t34_42_places.engcfg

    Those extra chunks don't conflict in any way with "normal" non-desant versions of those tanks. So, IMO, both "normal" and "desant" should use one, common version of 3d model only. In this way it will be easier to implement further modifications.
    That's a good idea! We may use only one 3D model, but with a differ config files. But it needs to be tested.
    Of course with different config files. I meant unification of *.go files only. Some tests I've already done.

    I've also found, that T-34 M42 is not ready for 3-digits tactical numbers.
    It's 3d model as so far has no  the s-class chunks for placing prefix (constant part) of the number.
    I didn't pay attention to it. Would u like to fix the numbers(add additional s_chunk for the numbers)?
    OK, but after unification (if u accept it ultimately). Starting now means do the job twice.

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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by Stah on Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:26 am

    frinik wrote:Stah;
    your story brings to mind what my grandmother used to say about Poles and Russians taken prisoners during the WW1 and working on farms and
    being treated like lost sons by the East Prussian farmers whose owns sons were fighting other Russians. Many of these prisoners cried when
    they were repatriated to their countries in 1918/19.Some stayed and married local women.

    frinik wrote:My grandmother says it is the reason my grandfather died prematurely in Switzerland at the age of 47 in 1947.After reading and
    hearing about Stalinist atrocities in his beloved East Prussia in 1945/46 which was partitioned much like Poland had been in its history
    and the population that had not fled, been evacuated or been murdered was deported to Germany in horrible conditions.

    Precisely my point! The hard-to-express entaglement of nations, semi-nations, groups of interest, coulture, religion groups etc, etc
    that both Wars brought to the surface, so to say... I live under the impression than when the West talks about WWI and WWII, they have no
    idea how complicated it was in Central Europe... No western good/bad guys here. To be absolutely clear: my story wasn't mean to sound like an
    anti-russian anthem... Russians are peace-loving, good people. The Soviet plague is what I was referring to. We all suffered from it:
    Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Belarussians, Lithuanians, Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, Bulgarians... to name only a few.

    frinik wrote:The irony is that the Allies wanted to eradicate German ( i.e. supposedly Prussian militarism) when in fact National Socialism was largely a South German catholic movement born in Bavaria, led by an Austrian and most of its top leaders Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels , Speer, Gestapo Mueller, Kaltenbrunner, etc were Catholics and from southern or western German lands.  Bormann was one of few protestant Prussians in the hierarchy. Prussia was the first state in Germany to ban the Nazi party in 1922.

    Interesting point of view! The good example of how well the West understood [and probably still understands] our issues :/

    frinik wrote:Your grandfather was a brave man may he rest in peace!

    Well, what can I say?... Thank you for this kind remark. Really.

    PS. Of course, my grandpa "smiling" at the sound of German talk was just the figure of speech, to build the contrast. After bein' their POW he just didn't have any reason to like them as a whole, but still he tried to defend them as an individuals... I sometimes envy this USA/UK black/white point of view...

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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by Stah on Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:33 am

    Btw - did anyone tried out my sound mod? How does it sound to you? As I wrote, to my taste it should be much more drammatical, but - it was meant just to be a little, strictly private help to me, not as an official POLISH TANK COMMANDER SPEECH MOD Smile
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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by frinik on Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:16 am

    Interesting point of view! The good example of how well the West understood [and probably still understands] our issues :/


    The sold you lock, stock and barrel to Stalin in 1945 didn't they??? I saw the result of 45 years of communism in Poland.....

    Re your grandfather I understood perfectly that it was a figure of speech. Anyway it's ancient history and now mercifully Germans and Poles are good friends and neighbours. cheers
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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by woofiedog on Sat Jan 09, 2016 2:04 am

    Another look at some Polish Sherman Firefly's during the Falaise pocket 20th August 1944.


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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by 33lima on Sat Jan 09, 2016 2:11 am

    Nice pic, thatks for sharing Woofie! The three furthest from that camera look to be the fairly rare 'Hybrid' version, with a cast front hull.
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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by woofiedog on Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:19 pm

    A few more photos and paint schemes of Polish Tank Units.

    A paint scheme from a Polish Sherman IC Firefly, Italy 1944.




    Polish-1st Armored Division unloading a Firefly VC tank.



    Polish 1st Armored Division 1944.



    1st Polish 1st Armored Division, Maczuga, Wilhelmshaven

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    Re: Polish mod

    Post by Pointer on Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:32 pm

    @ Woofiedog & 33lima
    Thanx for pics of Polish armour.

    @ Stah
    Stah wrote:.............. Precisely, Pointer: tankettes!! This is it!! ..............
    Formally you are right.



    But in September '39, the relation between TKS/20mm and Pz I, Pz II, Pz 35 and Pz 38 was similiar like later between Hetzer and T-34, Sherman and Cromwell.
    Significant part (or even majority) of SPGs had lighter armour then tanks, some of them were even "cabrios".
    So, IMO, the TKS/20mm can be named "the smallest WW2 tank destroyer".

    P.S. Ostatnio dużo latam IL-2, a w SF skupiłem się na zgłębianiu tajników teksturowania, dlatego na razie nie przetestowałem Twojego sound-modu.

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