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    lockie
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    Anti-tank weapons for US infantry

    Post by lockie on Sun Dec 06, 2015 2:45 pm

    As it appeared US infantry mod. 1942-43 doesn't has any anti-tank weapons like AT rifle(except grenades). The reason is simple: from the very beginning of the STA modding all US infantry was equipped with bazooka. But its available only for the infantry mod.44-45.
    So, what AT weapon should be added for the "US infantry mod.42-43"? Particularly, it is important for the desert missions.
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    Re: Anti-tank weapons for US infantry

    Post by kapulA on Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:19 pm

    Perhaps this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M7_grenade_launcher

    You would only need to add the grenade cup to the existing Garand model and add them at a rate of 2 per squad maybe? The article states they had three, but since they can't use both the rifle grenades and their regular rifle in SF afaik, it would probably be good to lower the number.

    Data on the rifle grens:

    http://users.skynet.be/jeeper/page69.html

    Maybe add the M9A1 model introduced in '42? Or the earlier M9 model, if the M9A1's penetration of 100mm is too lethal haha?
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    Re: Anti-tank weapons for US infantry

    Post by lockie on Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:02 pm

    kapulA wrote:Perhaps this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M7_grenade_launcher
    This ???
    Are u sure it's possible to hit any tank with such weapon?

    There is only one picture, but where is rifle?

    M9A1 Rifle Grenades, with M7 Rifle Grenade Launcher (M1 Garand) and M8 Grenade Launcher (M1/M1A1 Carbine)
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    Re: Anti-tank weapons for US infantry

    Post by woofiedog on Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:31 pm

    A couple of sites with information concerning the US Rifle Grenades used in WWII.



    M1s Against Tanks: Antitank Rifle Grenades and Launchers.

    http://www.popernack.com/library/library.php?aID=10&xID=1

    http://inert-ord.net/usa03a/usarg/rg/index.html

    Some first hand accounts of the Bazooka in action.  Smile

    On the bazooka and the Tiger (Mark VI) tank.

    Bazookamen learned early on that their launcher was not a standoff kind of weapon; it was to be used close in, "whites of their eyes” kind of thing.  The engine is the most susceptible place for a shot; white-hot plasma makes a mess of an engine block rather quickly.  Vision ports were always weak points as well, albeit a small target.  Hatches are also very thin, but you had to be in a good position and have good aim to take that shot.  Below are a number of instances where bazookas were used to effectively destroy Tigers.

    http://www.90thidpg.us/Equipment/Articles/BazookaTiger/index.html

    2.36-inch A.T. Rocket Launcher M1A1

    http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/bazooka/

    Weapons of the World War II Gyrene

    http://www.ww2gyrene.org/weapons_bazooka.htm
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    Re: Anti-tank weapons for US infantry

    Post by kapulA on Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:52 pm

    Well, the German infantry ingame have the GrB 39 ( http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attachments/world-firearms/28280d1235208182-german-wwii-grb39-grenade-throwing-rifle-grb39_foto_1.jpg ), so you could just copy it code-wise. I'm sure I've seen them take out the lighter Soviet tanks with it on occasion (T-60, T-26 etc), so it would be possible for the Yanks as well. And the M9A1 model of the AT grenade apparently penetrates 4 inches (101mm) so it could take out the all the German tanks except the Tiger, even from the front, and the older M9 model's penetration is approx half that, so around 50mm which is still enough to penetrate the side of all their tanks, except the Tiger, again.

    I don't see why it shouldn't be a viable AT weapon then?
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    Re: Anti-tank weapons for US infantry

    Post by lockie on Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:42 pm

    Woofie, Kap thanks for the info. To be more detailed I need a good picture "rifle with grenade", coz it'll be unique weapon. In Graviteam games infantry has only two types of weapon:
    - main
    - secondary
    In our case, the main will be "rifle with grenade", secondary is "hand grenade".
    I need picture smth. like this:
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    Re: Anti-tank weapons for US infantry

    Post by 33lima on Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:06 pm

    The correct answer it seems may be 'none'.

    Until the bazooka arrived, the US infantry platoon didn't appear to have an AT weapon, see this source for example: http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/UnitedStates/Infantry/united_states_infantry_battalion%201942%20to%20mid%201943.htm

    The battalion relied on its A/T guns, originally the 37mm (which we have now) so that's what they should have in SF, from 1942 to about mid-1943 (after the N African campaign ended), when the Bazooka overcame its early troubles. Before this, US infantry infantry ('rifle') squads should have no anti-tank weapon, apart from hand grenades (most rifle grenades are far too small to be effective AT weapons, useless against anything but thinly-armoured targets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M7_grenade_launcher). Their parent battalion has an AT Platoon with towed 37mm AT guns.

    PS see this for a picture for the rifle grenade used with the Garand, but it says this wasn't introduced until some time in 1943, before that they had one for the Springfield bolt-action rifle, apparently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M7_grenade_launcher
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    Re: Anti-tank weapons for US infantry

    Post by kapulA on Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:21 am

    Well yeah, but adding a simple attachment to the Garand model would be the most expedient solution, rather than creating an entire new Springfield model w/ grenade launcher cup etc?

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    Re: Anti-tank weapons for US infantry

    Post by dukling on Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:50 am

    It would be nice to make a shirt for AI infantry, shoot at tanks Wehrmacht bazooka. Very Happy
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    Re: Anti-tank weapons for US infantry

    Post by lockie on Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:05 am

    Brit infantry has such AT weapon "Boyes" in STA mod. Perhaps, US infantry should be equipped with the same one?
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    Re: Anti-tank weapons for US infantry

    Post by lockie on Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:17 pm

    Unfortunately, it is impossible to teach infantry to pick up any lost AT weapon, such as a panzerfaust. As we can see there are many, but nobody care.
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    Re: Anti-tank weapons for US infantry

    Post by Pointer on Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:36 pm

    lockie wrote:Unfortunately, it is impossible to teach infantry to pick up any lost AT weapon, such as a panzerfaust. As we can see there are many, but nobody care.
    Isn't it possible to implement the template "the crew and the passengers" like desant on tanks ?

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