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    Surviving KV series Tanks

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    woofiedog
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    Surviving KV series Tanks

    Post by woofiedog on Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:12 pm

    Cool

    Quote... Listed here are the KV-1, KV-2, KV-85 tanks and SU-152 SPGs that still exist today.

    http://the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_KV_series.pdf

    A video clip showing the KV-2 tank, along with some interior video.
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    Re: Surviving KV series Tanks

    Post by lockie on Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:36 pm

    Excellent info!
    As for KV-2 it had a serious issue. Tank couldn't rotate the turret, if he stayed on the slope (probably >=20-30 degrees). Turret jammed and crew couldn't rotate it.
    On the video it is JS-3 hull with a fake turret, which supposed to be MT-2 mod.("low" turret). In fact, it is not a KV-2 anymore.
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    Re: Surviving KV series Tanks

    Post by frinik on Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:35 am

    The KV-2 was a serious issue, sluggish, with an oversized turret which gave a huge target to flak36 guns, slow reload, carried a low supplies of heavy shells, vulnerable to infantry and mines....A nightmare on tracks for its crews.....
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    Re: Surviving KV series Tanks

    Post by lockie on Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:08 am

    frinik wrote:The KV-2 was a serious issue, sluggish, with an oversized turret which gave a huge target to flak36 guns, slow reload, carried a low supplies of heavy shells, vulnerable to infantry and mines...
    Oh, that's a huge exaggerating! Rolling Eyes
    sluggish - it doesn't matter at all. KV-2 was organized against a pillboxes/fortress. There is no need to be in hurry. Pillbox is unmovable target. He can't escape Laughing Even 5km/h would be quite enough for the KV-2 to suppress pillbox from the distance "direct shot". The same situation with slow reload. It doesn't matter how quickly the crew would manage to reload. According to documents the time reloading was ~one shot per minute. It's MORE than enough. Even if KV-2 has reloading time 1 shot per one hour - it would be suitable. Again pilbox is unmovable target. KV-2 is a specific tool. (I'm pretty sure u had a small calculator (in er pocket) and used this one, but in the same period u had PC with a big hull. Does it mean that a BIG PC is a worse than a SMALL calculator?)
    It had a low supplies. 36 shells for the 152mm gun is not enough? Each shell was a death for every German/World tank and of course, for pillbox also. It had a big turret, which was vulnerable for the 36 flak, BUT 36flak was not organized to destroy the tank! It was AA gun. Of course, every unit could be destroyed, but under worked conditions KV-2 was invulnerabile for the any AT weapons. He had 60mm armor of the back part! Infantry also could not destroy this tank, because didn't has any appropriate weapons.
    As my point KV-2 has two big issues:
    - turret jam (slope/hit)
    - unreliable engine (same as King Tiger)

    Also, there were rumors, that KV-2 didn't has an appropriate shells and there was a problem with shot. After AP shot ("sea grenade") the turret jammed. To avoid turret jamming, KV-2 was allowed to shoot only with HE shells.
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    Re: Surviving KV series Tanks

    Post by woofiedog on Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:56 pm

    lockie... On the video it is JS-3 hull with a fake turret

    I was wondering about the chassis of that KV-2 tank, as it did look to be of a later Soviet tank design such as a JS-2 or 3 chassis.

    This is a better video of the KV-2 tank that was made by the German's after it's capture. It is sad that they left out any interior film footage.



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    Re: Surviving KV series Tanks

    Post by frinik on Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:37 pm

    t had a low supplies. 36 shells for the 152mm gun is not enough? Each shell was a death for every German/World tank and of course, for pillbox also. It had a big turret, which was vulnerable for the 36 flak, BUT 36flak was not organized to destroy the tank! It was AA gun.

    LOckie show me stats about the  number of German tanks destroyed by a KV-2?

    The Flak 36 was used extensively by the Germans in an anti tank capacity especially from 1940-42 when they lacked strong AT guns & tanks to cope with French and Soviet heavy tanks? In fact the gun was so good that a variant was used to create the KwK36 of the Tiger I.With the resounding success we all know....

    As for the KV-2:

    KV-2 (334) – A heavy assault tank with the M-10 152 mm howitzer, the KV-2 was produced at the same time as the KV-1. Due to the size of its heavy turret and gun, the KV-2 was slower and had a much higher profile than the KV-1. Those captured and used by the German Army were known as (Sturm)Panzer kampfwagen KV-II 754(r) and often used for artillery observation due to its height. Few were produced due to its combat ineffectiveness, mainly the decreased speed due to the weight of the new gun and turret. The enlarged turret also offered a much bigger target, resulting in it being easier to hit and destroy than other KV tanks. Due to the increased turret weight due to expanded dimensions and a heavier gun, the turret traverse mechanism could work only on level ground.

    As I said the comments are hardly flattering....
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    Re: Surviving KV series Tanks

    Post by lockie on Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:46 am

    Trophy KV-2 equipped with Commander cupola.


    I wonder where German tank forces took diesel fuel for the trophy Soviet tanks?
    AFAIK, all produced diesel went to submarines.
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    Re: Surviving KV series Tanks

    Post by frinik on Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:59 pm

    They probably seized thousands of tons of diesel when the Red Army was on the retreat in 1941-42 along with ammo, trucks, guns etc,...

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