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    Kasserine Pass (Pz.III L) WIP

    Post by woofiedog on Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:17 pm



    History note:
    On February 19th, 1943, American troops received their first education of German military tactics by the regime’s most noted teacher, General Erwin Rommel. The school was a dusty spot in the Tunisian desert known as Kasserine Pass.
    In the mid-February Rommel used the Afrika Korps 10th and 21st Panzer Divisions to push back the Allied defensive lines from the Eastern to the Western Dorsale within the interior plain of the Atlas Mountains. The US II Corps concentrated its strength at Tebessa, where Allied commanders Lloyd Fredendall and Kenneth Anderson (UK) believed they could best protect the Kasserine Pass. Rommel, however, sensed the opportunity. With the momentum working against the Allied forces, he realized an attack directly on their main strength through the Kasserine Pass might yield impressive gains — the capture of much needed supplies, protection of the German-held coastal region to the east, and a possible forward staging area for the Luftwaffe to launch further attacks.


    10th Panzer Divizion captured a large number of US half-tracks of the 3/6th Armored Infantry at the base of Djebel Semmama.
    http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/us/M3_halftrack/halftrack-02.htm
    http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/us/M3_halftrack/halftrack.htm


    Video Clips.
    http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/us/Video/video-1.htm

    Other US armor captured and used by German units.
    The Wehrmacht captured its first Shermans in Tunisia and shipped them back to Germany for the Army Weapons Office to examine.
    The greatest numbers of Sherman tanks, though, fell into German hands in France after the 1944 invasion. Many units were able to set up a captured tank unit and equip it with Shermans.

    http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/us/us.htm
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    Re: Kasserine Pass (Pz.III L) WIP

    Post by lockie on Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:44 pm

    woofiedog wrote:10th Panzer Divizion captured a large number of US half-tracks of the 3/6th Armored Infantry at the base of Djebel Semmama.
    Probably this is scenario for the new mission Smile
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    Post by woofiedog on Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:57 pm

    Yes indeed, sounds like it would make for an interesting battle scenario.  Very Happy

    The Counterattack at Sidi Bou Zid, 15 February

    At 1645, Colonel Stack reported to General Ward that it had become doubtful that Combat Command C would reach Djebel Ksaïra before sundown. A few minutes later, when Colonel Alger was asked by Stack to report his situation and to state what help he could use, he replied laconically: "Still pretty busy. Situation in hand. No answer to second question. Further details later." Then his radio went silent.

    His further details were reserved until the year 1945, when he was released from imprisonment and could supply an account based on the recollections which he and his fellow captives from the battalion had shared during the intervening period.


    http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-MTO-NWA/USA-MTO-NWA-21.html

       

           

    Long before this attack began, it seemed to the defenders that the enemy was moving forward relentlessly and successfully. In fact, just before noon an enemy column penetrated between two of Colonel Moore's companies, and shortly afterward, observers spotted enemy tanks and infantry getting through the mine field on the Tébessa road. By noon, Colonel Moore's command post had been overrun and his command was falling back. The eight medium tanks of Company I, 13th Armored Regiment, had been placed astride this road, near the inner defile, with elements of the 894th Tank Destroyer Battalion nearby. Radio communications between the tanks had broken down and none existed with Colonel Stark's headquarters or with the tank destroyers. Communication was by courier and was infrequent. As the enemy tanks began getting through the mines, the American artillery was sent farther back. The French, after running out of ammunition, disabled their 75's and abandoned them. The tank destroyers moved out and, after being held in position for some time, so did the tanks. Although the defense crumbled, it persisted and in fact still seemed strong to the enemy.

    http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-MTO-NWA/USA-MTO-NWA-23.html

    The enemy had inflicted substantial losses in men and matériel on the British, Americans, and French. The extent of these losses, in prisoners and in matériel destroyed or captured, is reflected in the incomplete claims made by Group Ziegler for the period 14-18 February and by Group Rommel for 19-22 February

    Captured Allied personnel and matériel only, for the period 16-24 February 1943

    http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-MTO-NWA/USA-MTO-NWA-24.html

    Prisoners: 4,026
    105-mm. self-propelled guns: 3
    Individual weapons: Indefinite
    Motor vehicles: 161
    Machine guns: 58
    Armored vehicles: 61
    Tanks: 3
    40-mm., guns: 25
    87.6-mm. guns: 5 (British 25-pounders)
    Heavy mortars: 13
    Ammunition: 45 tons
    Antiaircraft guns: 13 A large amount of engineer matériel
    Undetermined caliber: 2
    Gasoline: 100 cubic meters
    Lubricants: 115 cubic meters
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    Post by woofiedog on Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:59 pm

    Found some extra info concerning Lt. Col. James D. Alger & Colonel Robert I. Stack and the German operation 'Spring Wind'.

    Battle for Kasserine Pass: 1st Armored Division Were Ambushed by the Afrika Corps at Sidi Bou Zid.

    It was one of the first battles in which Americans took part in the new units just arrived from the United States of America , the most clear and heavy defeat suffered by the U.S. armored units during the Second World War and one of the most brilliant tactical successes achieved by Panzertruppen German in the desert.

    February1943 in Sidi Bou Zid, the German Panzer Division, veterans of the desert, certainly gave a masterful tactical skill test, and the crews, formed around a core of experienced veterans, including commanders of great quality as Helmut Hudel, Rudolf Gerhardt and Grün Werner, showed capabilities far exceed those of the enemy, suffering very few losses and easily dominating enemy armored forces that were totally destroyed


     

    http://www.historynet.com/battle-for-kasserine-pass-1st-armored-division-were-ambushed-by-the-afrika-corps-at-sidi-bou-zid.htm

    Spearheading Operation 'Spring Wind' was the 591st Tiger Detachment. The 7th Panzer and 86th Panzergrenadier regiments supported that shock force. Spring Wind had four thrust points: Kampfgruppe (KGr.) Gerhardt rolled around the northern edge of Djebel Lessouda, while KGr. Reimann advanced directly along the road from Faid. To the south, units of the 21st Panzer Division poured through Maizila Pass and divided into two groups to encircle Sidi Bou Zid. KGr. Schuette advanced to the north and KGr. Stenkhoff to the west.

    Meanwhile, Stack radioed Alger for a situation report. 'Still pretty busy. Situation is hard,' Alger calmly replied. That was Stack's last communication with the 2nd Battalion commander. Moments later Alger's radio antenna was blown away by a tank shell.

    At 1645, armor-piercing rounds struck the engine compartment of Alger's tank, starting a fire. The early Sherman was nicknamed 'the Ronson' due to the propensity of its lightly armored gasoline engine to burst into flames. Now, Alger's command tank was ablaze. Immediately afterward, two armor-piercing rounds ripped through the south side of the turret, killing radio operator Leger. Alger and the rest of the crew jumped from the flaming tank and tried to work northward to join the remnants of Company D.

    The hostile armored force now bored in on the American flanks. Multicolored tracer shells streaked through the sky as the Germans rampaged at will among the burning M-4s. The survivors retreated west through lanes of heavy pursuing fire. Soon the envelopment was finished. Just four of Alger's Shermans and some scattered crews returned as night descended.

    One of the tanks with a knocked-out gun picked up Winkler, who had walked west alone, guided only by the warmth of the setting sun on his scorched face. Alger and his crew were quickly spotted by Germans and captured, as were Gregg, Newton, Urbanovski and most of the battalion's dismounted crews.
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    Re: Kasserine Pass (Pz.III L) WIP

    Post by lockie on Sat Aug 29, 2015 9:49 pm

    woofiedog wrote:
    Captured Allied personnel and matériel only, for the period 16-24 February 1943

    Prisoners: 4,026
    105-mm. self-propelled guns: 3
    What does the 105-mm self-propelled gun?
    Woofie, would u like to be a technical consultant as for the new mission? There are so many material that I don't know where to start Smile
    First question: what kind of the mission will be? Who will attack GER/USA? What was the forces?
    I know there should be:
    USA
    - M3 "Lee"
    - M4A1/75 Sherman
    - APC M3
    - M3 "Honey"
    The 1st Armored Division fielded 202 M4 and M3 medium tanks and 92 M3 and M5 light tanks plus considerably more halftracks, tank destroyers, self-propelled artillery, and scout cars than the Germans. The numerical superiority was negated owing to the tanks' and halftracks' lighter armor, lighter- and shorter-ranged guns, inexperience, and widely scattered deployment.

    GER

    - Pz.III N (no schurzen)


    - Pz.III L (long 50mm gun)

    Pz.III L from 1:55 with desert camo and "Africa Corps" insignia

    - Pz.IV/F2
    - Pz.VI "Tiger" (The 10th Panzer Division besides its usual Panzer regiments, it had the s.Pz.Abt. 501 Tiger battalion attached to it as the third battalion of Panzer Regiment 7.)
    - Sdkfz. 251/1
    Both 10th and 21th Panzer-Division had recently been brought up to strength and was well equipped with PzKpfw IIIs with long 5cm guns and PzKpfw IVs with the long 7.5cm. The 10th fielded 110 and the 21th 91 tanks, about two-thirds being PzKpfw IIIs. There was also a company of 12 new 8.8cm gun-armed PzKpfw VI Tiger tanks. The tankers were a mix of long-term African veterans, veterans transferred from other theaters, and fresh replacements from training units.

    MAP



    EDIT:
    I've found 105-mm self-propelled gun. It's M-7 Priest 105mm HMC (Howitzer Motor Carriage).


    Tank destroyers
    75 mm Gun Motor Carriage M3


    3-inch Gun Motor Carriage M10 76mm, 17-pounder


    76.2mm PaK 36(r)

    One of the most effective antitank weapons In Afrika Korp service was the  a Soviet divisional gun, captured in 1941 and put into use as an anti-tank gun. This example was knocked out by an M4 tank of 2/13th Armored on March 17 during the advance on Sened Station.

    150mm Nebelwerfer 41

    German tanks in 1943 were on a par with Allied tanks, with a decided shift towards the long-barreled gun versions of the PzKpfw III and PzKpfw IV. Tunisia also saw the combat debut of several new weapons in the west including the Tiger heavy lank, the Nebelwerfer multiple rocket launcher, and the PaK 40 75mm anti-tank gun. The German units in Tunisia were for the most part combat experienced, battle-hardened units, at a time when the Wehrmacht was at the peak of its combat effectiveness.


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    Post by woofiedog on Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:32 pm

    lockie... Woofie, would u like to be a technical consultant as for the new mission?

    Sounds excellent. Smile

    lockie... First question: what kind of the mission will be? Who will attack GER/USA? What was the forces?

    Will gather up some info first before... well lets say... before jumping into the fire. LoL Laughing
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    Post by woofiedog on Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:03 pm

    lockie... First question: what kind of the mission will be? Who will attack GER/USA? What was the forces?

    I believe that this mission should be in three parts, as it is the first time that in WWII that all of the major powers that fought in WWII except of course Japan, China and USSR would meet on the battlefield. Also this battle would go on to shape the land battles in the Med/European theaters of war.

    So my first choice would go to the German/Italian side of the war, for at this time period there was a big question being asked at the time in Berlin/Rome ... was Rommel still fit for command of the Africa Korps?

    A quote from Rommel at this time period... "One knows one's own limits, but other people expect miracles."

    Quotes from the book "Kasserine Pass 1943: Rommel's Last Victory"  By Steven J Zaloga, Michael Welply

    When he [Rommel] returned in November 1942 after the El Alamien defeat, his messages were no longer the pugnacious promises of 1941, but the pessimistic predictions of doom.

    Rommel failed to create more miracles with his increasingly emaciated and weary Afrika Korps in the summer of 42, he fell out of favor with Hitler.

    Mussolini complained bitterly to Hitler about Rommel's precipitous retreat through Libya.


    The second mission could be from the fresh from the states US Army.

    Quote from the article... Bloodied But Bruised:How the World War II American Army at Kasserine Pass Grew Up in North Africa, by Christpher Eric Jacob Sherwood Sr.

    The American Army’s first encounter during World War II with the German Army in North Africa at the Battle of Kasserine Pass resulted in a tactical defeat.  Lloyd Fredendall, the II Corps commander, did not lead from the front and instead preferred to remain at a safe distance in his man-made command post cut into a mountain over one hundred miles from his forward positions.  

    After the Wehrmacht launched its attack on 14 February 1943, the American positions quickly disintegrated and headquarters elements fled to the rear stranding entire infantry units on mountaintops.  As the senior leaders were running for their lives, they ordered field grade officers to conduct counterattacks against a superior German armor force.  

    These battalion commanders fought valiantly, but were overmatched and their units became combat ineffective.


    Also from the article... Command Failure: Lloyd Fredendall and the Battle of Kasserine Pass By Dwight Jon Zimmerman.

    Quote... Lloyd Fredendall “failed to understand his mission”
    He “violated several basic principles of command embodied in American doctrine”
    He “ignored the profound benefit that comes from the leader’s appearance of personal bravery”
    He “forgot that self-control is an absolute prerequisite for command”

    Finally, “a commander cannot make fundamental tactical mistakes in the field and expect to survive.”

    And the third mission should be from the British & Free French side of the battle.

    Quote from the article...  Facing the Fox, by Brian John Murphy.

    The best component of the Allied army was undoubtedly the British, under Lieutenant General Kenneth A.N. Anderson. The center of the line was former Vichy French troops who fought well but who were badly equipped and supplied.

    Again just a thought for the mission/missions, Battle for Kasserine Pass.  Smile


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    Post by woofiedog on Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:33 pm

    Do have a quick question...

    Would or could the in game AI Italian tank, the Fiat L-6/40 be available for a playable mission? Smile

    If so, maybe a Kasserine Pass Italian mission for STA SF. Very Happy
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    Re: Kasserine Pass (Pz.III L) WIP

    Post by lockie on Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:54 am

    woofiedog wrote:I believe that this mission should be in three parts. So my first choice would go to the German/Italian side of the war.
    Woofie, thank u for the detailed report!  Cool
    I think also the first mission will be for the Germany. There is no a big variety, there should be smth. simple: German tanks attack positions, capture it and repel counter-attack. The main hero will be Pz.III L, which is similar to Pz.III N, but no schurzen and equipped with a long 50mm gun. Will73 is working now with this tank. Woofie, does all mentioned historic note suit to the February 1943?

    The second mission could be from the fresh from the states US Army.
    OK, let it be M4A1/75, also I'd like to implement APC M3/75mm (and may be a simplest mission for this unit).

    And the third mission should be from the British & Free French side of the battle.
    Mission will be only for the British (there is no French side). I think M3 "Grant" will be OK.

    woofiedog wrote:Would or could the in game AI Italian tank, the Fiat L-6/40 be available for a playable mission? Smile If so, maybe a Kasserine Pass Italian mission for STA SF. Very Happy  
    I think it's possible, but only for the German side.
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    Post by woofiedog on Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:01 am

    lockie... Woofie, does all mentioned historic note suit to the February 1943?

    Some of of the Rommel quotes are from Nov 42, but all are connected to the events leading up to the Battle of Kasserine Pass or from the battle itself. I will have more quotes/events in the coming days that come from the battle.

    Vehicles used for the missions are an excellent choice and fit well with the Kasserine Pass time period.   Very Happy

    German... Pz.III L.

    American... M4A1/75, APC M3/75mm.

    British... M3 "Grant". Although the British did have a larger "Sherman" force than the US armored units at that time period.

    Could the the Bren Carrier be used as a British playable unit?

    Italian...  Fiat L-6/40. Would be great to have an Italian vehicle even used from the German side added to the SF STA vehicles list.

    Overall it looks like the Kasserine Pass will offer some very interesting and challenging missions for SF.   cheers
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    Post by lockie on Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:52 am

    woofiedog wrote:
    Some of of the Rommel quotes are from Nov 42, but all are connected to the events leading up to the Battle of Kasserine Pass or from the battle itself.
    OK, then let's take the history note, which will be before mission d/l.
    On February 19th, 1943, American troops received their first education of German military tactics by the regime’s most noted teacher, General Erwin Rommel. The school was a dusty spot in the Tunisian desert known as Kasserine Pass.
    In the mid-February Rommel used the Afrika Korps 10th and 21st Panzer Divisions to push back the Allied defensive lines from the Eastern to the Western Dorsale within the interior plain of the Atlas Mountains. The US II Corps concentrated its strength at Tebessa, where Allied commanders Lloyd Fredendall and Kenneth Anderson (UK) believed they could best protect the Kasserine Pass. Rommel, however, sensed the opportunity. With the momentum working against the Allied forces, he realized an attack directly on their main strength through the Kasserine Pass might yield impressive gains — the capture of much needed supplies, protection of the German-held coastal region to the east, and a possible forward staging area for the Luftwaffe to launch further attacks.


    I'd like to suggest the history map as "Kasserine pass".


    British... M3 "Grant". Although the British did have a larger "Sherman" force than the US armored units at that time period.
    M3 "Grant" still doesn't has a personal mission. That's why this tank is preferable.

    Could the the Bren Carrier be used as a British playable unit?
    U want to see the mission for this piece of junk?  Shocked  What a Face  Rolling Eyes
    Well, of course it's possible, but it should be a specific mission, coz any other will be finished for the user a very soon Smile
    TYhe mission could be as:
    - bring an express message to the HQ
    - save "General Frinikenko"  Very Happy
    - scout mission
    - ambush German column consist of the truck with infantry

    Italian...  Fiat L-6/40. Would be great to have an Italian vehicle even used from the German side added to the SF STA vehicles list.
    This mission also should be specific (only against infantry) and a very
    simple. Or may be there is a choice to meet M3 "Honey" Wink
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    Post by woofiedog on Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:44 pm

    lockie... U want to see the mission for this piece of junk?

    This is a fine piece of junk though, my favorite rides of the game are these "one shot wonders"... the number of hits these tanks can take before being destroyed. These machines really give you a straight out challenge just to survive and maybe, just maybe have a kill along with making it to the end of the mission.  Laughing

    Maybe the Bren Carrier could be used for a "Long Range Desert Group", German convoy ambush mission that include some AI machine gun armed jeeps?  Wink

    lockie... In the mid-February Rommel used the Afrika Korps 10th and 21st Panzer Divisions to push back the Allied defensive lines from the Eastern to the Western Dorsale within the interior plain of the Atlas Mountains.

    Yes, back to the first German mission for the Battle of Kasserine Pass, this event just might be a suitable candidate for this particular mission.

    Facing the Fox, by Brian John Murphy.

    http://www.americainwwii.com/articles/facing-the-fox/

    Quote... On February 11, von Arnim and Rommel were finally ordered to take the offensive and crush the Americans at the southern end of the Allied line in Tunisia. This would negate the possibility of an American lunge at the German-Italian Panzer Army behind the Mareth Line.

    Under the overall command of General Heinz Ziegler, the Germans attacked out of Faïd Pass with the 10th Panzer Division advancing under the cover of a sandstorm. The German force divided, with one battle group of the 10th Panzer swinging around to the north of Djebel Lessouda, partially surrounding the 900 soldiers of the 168th Infantry’s 2nd Battalion and cutting them off from possible artillery support from the rear.

    The other prong of the 10th Panzer’s attack met tank Company G of the 1st Armored’s 3rd Battalion head-on in the valley. It overwhelmed the American armor. US Colonel Louis V. Hightower sent in tank companies H and I—about three dozen Shermans—to delay the 10th Panzer’s advance. The move worked, but at a cost.

    German 88mm antitank guns at the base of Djebel Lessouda and tank artillery did horrendous damage to the Shermans. Hightower’s attack was turned back, and the effort to escape the ambush was mostly foiled by the enemy fire.

    US Colonel John Waters, commanding the 168th Infantry’s 2nd Battalion isolated atop Djebel Lessouda, could only watch the fight without being able to influence it. Waters would be captured on the slopes of his mountain stronghold.
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    Post by lockie on Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:54 am

    Here's first try to place on the polygon a new flora: cacti, platan. Also I'm planning to add additional type of bush.
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    Excellent work with the new flora, it gives the desert polygon a more realistic and believable look. Very Happy

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    Re: Kasserine Pass (Pz.III L) WIP

    Post by lockie on Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:14 am

    Polygon is almost ready. There are some details left to be polished.

    So, the first mission will be for the Pz.III L. I'd like to name it in a simple way: Desert "Fox".
    There will be two German groups, which attacks American positions consist of:
    1. 5x Pz.III L, 3x Pz.IV F2
    2. 5x Pz.III L, 3x Pz.IV F2
    Units appears randomly on the side 1/2
    3. 1x Grenadiers platoon on the Sdkfz. 251/1
    4. (1-2)x Tiger (available only at balance "1-4". Default balance "5" will be without Tigers.)
    5. 3x Pz.III N (no schurzen)
    6. Aviation

    American side:
    1. 1x infantry platoon in the trenches
    2. (2-4)x AT gun 76mm
    3. (1-2)x Howitzer 105mm
    4. 3x .50 MG
    5. (3-5)x M3 Lee, (5-7)x M4A1

    PS
    Actually, it's possible to make a mini Campaign. Let's say three missions for both sides or even for the British also, but we don't have "Crusader" yet.
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    Re: Kasserine Pass (Pz.III L) WIP

    Post by kapulA on Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:23 pm

    Personally, I'd rather remove the 76mm AT gun from the mission completely and replace it with the 57mm M1 (basically the British 6-pounder AT in US service), even though they too were not present at Kasserine.  Laughing

    A wiser choice, perhaps, would be to add the 37mm M3 AT gun to the game - I'm no expert on the field of modelling, but a new AT gun, and such a small one at that, is bound to take less effort to create and implement than a full tank, right? An added bonus is that you would be set for any future African theater missions with the US, and also for possible Italy themed missions further down the road. Smile



    An interesting passage, regarding the 37mm M3 and it's performance at Kasserine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/37_mm_Gun_M3#Combat_Service

    "The experience of the M3 in the North African Campaign was completely different. The gun was not powerful enough to deal with late production German Panzer III and IV tanks. After the nearly disastrous Battle of Kasserine Pass in February 1943, reports from some of the involved units mentioned 37 mm projectiles 'bouncing off like marbles' from the turret and front armor of German medium tanks and proclaimed the gun 'useless unless you have gun crews with the guts to stand and shoot from 100 yards'."
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    Re: Kasserine Pass (Pz.III L) WIP

    Post by lockie on Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:22 pm

    kapulA wrote:Personally, I'd rather remove the 76mm AT gun from the mission completely and replace it with the 57mm M1 (basically the British 6-pounder AT in US service), even though they too were not present at Kasserine.
    Yes, u're right. We need this 37mm gun, but I can't promise to implement it soon. So, 57mm would be the real chance. I've read that American had 37mm AT gun at the battle Kasserine. And this gun was completely obsolete, but we don't have it now. That's why I decided to replace it with 57/76mm.
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    Re: Kasserine Pass (Pz.III L) WIP

    Post by kapulA on Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:25 pm

    Yeah, I think that it would be a good place-holder until we get the 37mm M3 as the 76mm would probably be a bit OP for the setting, since by the time it was first used in Italy (late '43, early '44) the mainstay of the Panzer divisions were the Pz IV and Panther, with more numerous Tigers than in Tunisia in '43 and some Elefants and StuGs. It had a good chance against the Pz IV and StuG frontally, even the Tiger at close ranges, and at Kasserine in '43 it would pretty much make mincemeat of the Pz III Ls and IV F2/Gs that were the main tanks of the Panzerwaffe at the time.
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    Re: Kasserine Pass (Pz.III L) WIP

    Post by woofiedog on Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:56 am

    lockie... So, the first mission will be for the Pz.III L. I'd like to name it in a simple way: Desert "Fox".
    There will be two German groups, which attacks American positions consist of:
    1. 5x Pz.III L, 3x Pz.IV F2
    2. 5x Pz.III L, 3x Pz.IV F2
    Units appears randomly on the side 1/2
    3. 1x Grenadiers platoon on the Sdkfz. 251/1
    4. (1-2)x Tiger (available only at balance "1-4". Default balance "5" will be without Tigers.)
    5. 3x Pz.III N (no schurzen)
    6. Aviation

    American side:
    1. 1x infantry platoon in the trenches
    2. (2-4)x AT gun 76mm
    3. (1-2)x Howitzer 105mm
    4. 3x .50 MG
    5. (3-5)x M3 Lee, (5-7)x M4A1


    This looks to be an excellent make up for the first battle of the Kasserine Pass missions, as it will give the player a well rounded mission with the vehicles and tanks used in the battle, but at the same time it also keeps the mission interesting and challenging.  Very Happy

    lockie...  Actually, it's possible to make a mini Campaign. Let's say three missions for both sides or even for the British also, but we don't have "Crusader" yet.

    Yes, a Crusader tank would be an excellent addition to STA SF, but overall from the talented workshops of the SF community of developers. We do have a great list of the vehicles and tanks of the time period needed to create such a "mini Campaign" covering the battles of the Kasserine Pass.

    Very good idea and I believe that a Campaign has been asked for by some of the membership here on the forum. cheers
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    Re: Kasserine Pass (Pz.III L) WIP

    Post by kapulA on Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:12 pm

    Also, regarding the US force composition, I assume the Shermans and M3 Lees will be part of a counterattack force? Maybe add a platoon or two of armored infantry in halftracks to the force so the tanks have infantry support as well. Smile
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    Re: Kasserine Pass (Pz.III L) WIP

    Post by lockie on Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:42 pm

    kapulA wrote:Also, regarding the US force composition, I assume the Shermans and M3 Lees will be part of a counterattack force?
    Yes, German attacks and after a while there will be USA counter-attack. Though, I've read at Kasserine there were many M3 "Honey" tanks and I'm not sure abt. Sherman M4A1.

    Maybe add a platoon or two of armored infantry in halftracks to the force so the tanks have infantry support as well. Smile
    It's a good suggestion! But I'm worry abt. mission overloading with many units. Also, I've idea to make mission for the USA side, where the main hero is 75 mm Gun Motor Carriage M3. This unit could be a good replacer for M5 75mm AT gun. That's why I'd like to separate APC from the first mission.
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    Re: Kasserine Pass (Pz.III L) WIP

    Post by woofiedog on Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:23 pm

    lockie... Also, I've idea to make mission for the USA side, where the main hero is 75 mm Gun Motor Carriage M3

    Excellent! Very Happy
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    Re: Kasserine Pass (Pz.III L) WIP

    Post by kapulA on Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:00 pm

    lockie wrote:
    Though, I've read at Kasserine there were many M3 "Honey" tanks and I'm not sure abt. Sherman M4A1.

    Well, according to this http://www.historynet.com/battle-for-kasserine-pass-1st-armored-division-were-ambushed-by-the-afrika-corps-at-sidi-bou-zid.htm there were plenty of Shermans around at Kasserine. But a Stuart platoon or two would be cool as an advanced guard arriving approx. 5 mins or so before the main wave (Shermans and Lees, maybe with some armored infantry support). Smile

    lockie wrote:
    Also, I've idea to make mission for the USA side, where the main hero is 75 mm Gun Motor Carriage M3. This unit could be a good replacer for M5 75mm AT gun. That's why I'd like to separate APC from the first mission.

    Yeah, the 75mm M3 GMC is a good choice to replace the 76mm M5 AT gun, and would also be cool as a separate mission. Smile
    Regarding the inf in halftracks, I think the mission could stand it; I recall missions in the stock Steel Fury campaign with 3 and sometimes 4 platoons of inf on the map at the same time, and it ran okay. With the Grenadiers in the halftracks and the one American infantry platoon emplaced in trenches, that leaves room for at least one and maybe two platoons of inf in halftracks - imo, it's worth a try to include them in the beta version of the map and if testers report too much FPS loss, they could be removed for the official mission. Smile
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    Re: Kasserine Pass (Pz.III L) WIP

    Post by Pointer on Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:23 am

    lockie wrote:
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    Actually, it's possible to make a mini Campaign. Let's say three missions for both sides or even for the British also, but we don't have "Crusader" yet.

    "Valentines" wasn't in use?
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    Re: Kasserine Pass (Pz.III L) WIP

    Post by lockie on Sun Sep 13, 2015 7:35 am

    kapulA wrote:Well, according to this http://www.historynet.com/battle-for-kasserine-pass-1st-armored-division-were-ambushed-by-the-afrika-corps-at-sidi-bou-zid.htm there were plenty of Shermans around at Kasserine.
    Thanks for the info!

    But a Stuart platoon or two would be cool as an advanced guard arriving approx. 5 mins or so before the main wave (Shermans and Lees, maybe with some armored infantry support). Smile
    That's interesting idea! Let's see what we can do! Wink

    Pointer wrote:"Valentines" wasn't in use?
    Yes, they were, but this tank already used in the missions. Though, it wasn't used as a "main hero". "Crusader" is more preferable, coz took part in the many battles as a British tank only. And of course, many users would be glad to test it in the appropriate mission Cool
    Do u've any info that "Valentine" took part at the Kasserine pass?

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