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    Interesting analysis of tank casualties in Ukraine in 1943

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    Tanker
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    Interesting analysis of tank casualties in Ukraine in 1943

    Post by Tanker on Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:05 am

    Interesting figures from "Panther vs T-34 Ukraine 1943", by Robert Forcyzk.

    -During 1943 the Red Army lost over 14,000 T-34/76 tanks
    -In the last 6 months of that year 493 Panthers were lost
    -50% of the Panthers lost were destroyed by the Germans when forced to retreat
    -51st Pz Battalion suffered 72 dead in July and August 1943, or slightly more than one death per lost tank
    -Soviet analysis indicated that 81% of hits on T-34s were on the hull and only 19% on the turret
    -Over 1/2 of all hits failed to penetrate the T-34 armor
    -During the July 26 fighting, 26% of T-34s were destroyed by 88mm guns, 40% by 75mm guns, and 33% by 50mm guns
    -Less than 1% of Soviet tanks knocked out by 75mm guns were hit at ranges < 1,400m, less than 10% were hit beyond 1,000m
    -Roughly 60% of tank engagements occurred between 200-600m and 10% were destroyed at 200m or less
    -Despite having diesel fuel about 25% of T-34s that were hit caught fire
    -Soviet tank crew losses were extremely high, with only about 25-30% of crews surviving the destruction of their tank
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    Re: Interesting analysis of tank casualties in Ukraine in 1943

    Post by lockie on Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:14 pm

    Tanker wrote:-Soviet analysis indicated that 81% of hits on T-34s were on the hull and only 19% on the turret
    I was sure the most dangerous place was turret. And there are no losses from aviation, it's strange.

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    Re: Interesting analysis of tank casualties in Ukraine in 1943

    Post by Tanker on Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:22 am

    lockie wrote:
    Tanker wrote:-Soviet analysis indicated that 81% of hits on T-34s were on the hull and only 19% on the turret
    I was sure the most dangerous place was turret. And there are no losses from aviation, it's strange.

    Hull is a larger target, so higher hit percentage is logical. The author does not mention aviation. Perhaps the Soviets did not tally that or did not publish it.
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    Re: Interesting analysis of tank casualties in Ukraine in 1943

    Post by frinik on Thu Apr 02, 2015 2:53 pm

    They don't mention aviation or for that matter mines which always accounted for roughly 25% of tanks put out of action because the analysis is focussed on the hits taken by the tanks. Hits would come from either other tanks or artillery /anti tank guns....
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    Re: Interesting analysis of tank casualties in Ukraine in 1943

    Post by lockie on Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:29 pm

    According to data there were hit 14000(!) Soviet tanks. And there were no any tanks destroyed by aviation!? There is smt. wrong in this statistics.

    And this is a very bad fact about the Soviet armor:
    - Over 1/2 of all hits failed to penetrate the T-34 armor

    It does tanks became out of order, because of the inner fragments/slags or diesel fuel blew up. It is well-known fact, that Soviet tankers preferred to take in battle with fully filled fuel-tanks.

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