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    Re: Japan side

    Post by lockie on Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:36 pm

    And finally Japan side received an AT-rifleman equipped with a 20mm AT rifle TYPE 97. It was a very good rifle against light tanks in 1937-40, but against Sherman/T-34 it was weak.


    Take a note, RKKA received AT rifles only in the autumn 1941 and that's all. There were no any rocket launchers against tanks (inspite BM-13 launcher and RS-82 rocket presence). The same situation was with an APC.
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    Re: Japan side

    Post by lockie on Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:16 pm

    Japanese kamikaze with a sack of dynamite bom

    This sack is just a candy, coz soldier can't blow up the tank. I know in GTOS there is an attack group with a dynamite. Unfortunately, it is not a tanksim.
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    Re: Japan side

    Post by lockie on Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:22 pm

    Japan aviation consist of one fighter which looks similar to Ki-27 or smth. Anyway, during the battle u're hardly can see the plane. It is equipped with 2xMG 7,7mm.
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    Re: Japan side

    Post by lockie on Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:12 pm

    EDIT 07.02.2017
    Japanese ground pillbox is on the half-way to be ready!


    EDIT 03.03.2017
    First try to implement Japan pillbox  pardon  facepalm
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    Re: Japan side

    Post by will73 on Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:09 pm

    Грузовик Тип94

    2 варіанти (з тентом і без)

    Truck Type94 (with/without canopy)



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    Re: Japan side

    Post by lockie on Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:38 pm

    will73 wrote:Грузовик Тип94
    2 варіанти (з тентом і без)
    Вантажівка вийшла на диво шикарною! Хіба що трохо бруду не завадить або додати камо? Ще бажано один варіант зробити з ящиками. Це буде вантажівка, котра перевозить вантаж (зброя/їжа...)
    Ящики готовий надати! Один в тебе вже є від доту.
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    Re: Japan side

    Post by will73 on Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:47 am

    Грузовик Тип94 (1лод)на полігоні



    Хіба що трохо бруду не завадить або додати камо?
    В грі вантажівка доволі брудна. (камо, коли текстура буде повністю готова  потім зробить не проблема)
    Ще бажано один варіант зробити з ящиками. Це буде вантажівка, котра перевозить вантаж (зброя/їжа...)
    Це вже якщо натхнення найде.
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    Re: Japan side

    Post by will73 on Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:30 pm

    Вантажівка тип 94 (3лоди)


    Розсадка відділення піхоти в вантажівку.


    Порівняння з Т-34-76 та Кубельвагеном
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    Re: Japan side

    Post by lockie on Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:02 pm

    This time pillbox looks better, but still needs adjustments, soldier's legs went down under ground.



    EDIT 18.03.2017
    Japan pillbox is still full of bugs  facepalm


    EDIT 11.04.2017
    Japan pillbox is getting closer to the final release!
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    Re: Japan side

    Post by lockie on Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:41 pm

    The model is ready and now at the stage of the final tuning.
    Here's how pillbox looks like.


    There are three spare barrels in the corner.In


    How it looks outside. Gunner is sitting on the box with ammo.


    Gunner is dead.


    Commander and loader are dead.


    All crewmembers are dead. As u may see there are several small boxes with ammo located before the gunner.


    Pillbox has the next destroyable objects:
    - two big boxes with ammo
    - radio
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    Re: Japan side

    Post by Kibihiyo on Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:54 pm

    Hello.
    I  enjoy playing STA3.2 Very Happy

    I add about Chi-Ha projectile.
    Now, Chi-Ha amounts the projectile "SP Type 90" . Previously, this shell is wrote "concrete- piercing".
    But SP Type90 is just training projectile. (九〇式代用弾)

    On the other hand, Chi-Ha had the HEAT projectile since 1944.
    It was "Type3 HEAT". (三式穿甲榴弾)

    Type3 HEAT (三式穿甲榴弾)
    Projectile weight : 1.80kg
    Muzzle Velocity : Unknown(350~420m/s)
    Armor Penetration : 55mm
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    Re: Japan side

    Post by lockie on Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:39 am

    Kibihiyo wrote:Hello.
    I  enjoy playing STA3.2 Very Happy
    friends applause happy

    The presented missions in GMP4.15 had place in the summer 1939. At those period Ch-Ha had a very weak gun in spite of the 57mm caliber. After the battle "Khalkhin-Gol" Japan improved the gun and made it more stronger. Perhaps the changes were applied to the shells also. In the game (STA mod) the strength (armor penetration) of the Chi-Ha gun was slightly increased to provide a balance. There wont be interesting to play with a real characteristic, coz user can't hit any Soviet armor.

    I add about Chi-Ha projectile.
    Now, Chi-Ha amounts the projectile "SP Type 90" . Previously, this shell is wrote "concrete- piercing".
    But SP Type90 is just training projectile. (九〇式代用弾)
    So, what the ammunition should be presented for the mentioned period - summer 1939?
    At this moment Chi-Ha has:
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    txt_gun_57mod97() {57mm Tank gun Type 97;}
    txt_shell_aphe_57type92() {57mm APHE Type 92;}
    txt_shell_he_57type90() {57mm HE Type 90;}
    txt_shell_sp_57type90() {57mm SP Type 90;}

    On the other hand, Chi-Ha had the HEAT projectile since 1944. It was "Type3 HEAT". (三式穿甲榴弾)
    For this period Chi-Ha should be equipped with a new turret and better gun. If u're interested we may create a couple missions for the 1944 year. But I have no idea what the battle is and where it took place. I've confess I'm not good at Japan military history during WWII  Embarassed
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    Re: Japan side

    Post by Kibihiyo on Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:42 pm

    There wont be interesting to play with a real characteristic wrote:
    So? I want to play real characteristic, even if it is hard battle. I require reality of SF.(well, everyone has their own preference.  Very Happy I'll cheage parameters by myself )

    what the ammunition should be presented for the mentioned period wrote:
    I said about txt_shell_sp_57type90() {57mm SP Type 90;}.
    I think that is not neccessary "57mm SP Type 90" , because "57mm SP Type 90" is training ammo. I think that set all HE to "57mm HE Type 90".

    If u're interested we may create a couple missions for the 1944 year wrote:
    In the future, I and Japanese players are happy if japan tanks mission are increase Very Happy . (even if that is very hard battle. (Chi-Ha vs M4 or T-34...etc ))

    But I have no idea what the battle is and where it took place. I've confess I'm not good at Japan military history during WWII wrote:
    I don't know the details about japan tank battle too. Embarassed I'll ask about it to japanese community.
    I have known some battle are "Malayan Campaign(8 Dec 1941 ~ 31 Jan 1942)", "Battle of Shumshu(18~23 Aug 1945)" and some local battles in Pacific war.


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    Re: Japan side

    Post by lockie on Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:34 pm

    Kibihiyo wrote:
    So? I want to play real characteristic, even if it is hard battle. I require reality of SF
    Then u've to decrease the armor also, coz I had increased it a bit for the balance Smile I may say u the truth - Japanese tank Chi-Ha didn't has a chance against the Soviet BT-5/BA-10 (45mm gun) in 1939. In fact, the first Chi-Ha was kinda a mortar on the tracks  pardon  Only when Chi-Ha was equipped with a long-barreled gun 47mm it became a reasonable tank against Sherman, but still weak, coz Sherman was a medium tank (thicker armor, bigger gun) and Chi-Ha from the very beginning was a light tank (thin armor, weak gun). AFAIK, Chi-Ha might have killed the Sherman only in side profile.
    The idea to implement Japan side was to see the more unique troops, especially original Japan soldier. It was a challenge, coz nobody before didn't make any 3D model of the soldier, and finally STA team got it over!  yahoo  

    I said about txt_shell_sp_57type90() {57mm SP Type 90;}.
    I think that is not necessary "57mm SP Type 90" , because "57mm SP Type 90" is training ammo.
    I'm still hesitating as for training ammo 57mm SP Type 90. There are a several documents where SP Type 90 named as Substitute projectile.
    I guess it does ersatz projectile, coz was made of cast iron a cheaper material. For the training purposes there were a Practice projectiles. Can someone explain what is the difference between substitute and practice projectile? According to the quantity of the filling 0.07kg it is more similar to the AP shell then to HE.

    TM 9-1985-5 JAPANESE EXPLOSIVE ORDNANCE - CHAPTER 4 - ARMY AMMUNITION

    Type 90 5.7cm (57mm) Substitute projectile

    Weight of complete round: 3.04kg
    Weight of projectile, filled: 2.23kg
    Weight of filling: 0.07kg
    Filling: Black Powder
    Diameter at bourrelet: 57mm
    Length of projectile (w/o Fuze): 183mm
    Length of propellant case: 121mm
    Length of assembled round (w/o Fuze): 272mm
    Width of rotating band: 9.5mm

    Fuzing: Type 88 short delay fuze
    Propellant: Mk 1 square grain - 113g

    Used in: Type 90 Tank gun, Type 97 Tank gun

    Remarks:
    This projectile is made of cast iron and has very thick walls.
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    Re: Japan side

    Post by Kibihiyo on Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:03 am


    For the training purposes there were a Practice projectiles. Can someone explain what is the difference between substitute and practice projectile? wrote: wrote:
    well...There is complex problem about this. I may not able to explain with my english sorry Crying or Very sad

    First, "代用" means "Substitute" ,"演習" means "Training".
    Both "代用弾" and "演習弾" are training shells.
    But, "代用弾" names mainly used by Japan Army, "演習弾" names mainly used by Japan Navy.
    "代用弾" name can be senn various document on shooting exercises.

    The following are example. This document is National Archives of Japan.(https://www.jacar.go.jp/)
    https://www.jacar.archives.go.jp/aj/meta/listPhoto?NO=20&DB_ID=G0000101EXTERNAL&ID=%24_ID&LANG=default&image_num=20&IS_STYLE=default&TYPE=PDF&DL_TYPE=pdf&REFCODE=C01007231600&CN=1
    (Title : Special procurement of munitions for shooting exercises in Showa 14)

    Page1 : Special procurement of munitions for shooting exercises in Showa 14 (1939)


    Page3

    1 : Type 90 57mm tank gun
    Type 90 57mm tank gun used same shells as Type 97 57mm tank gun.
    2 : 九〇式代用弾 (Type 90 substitute shells)

    https://www.jacar.archives.go.jp/aj/meta/image_C01004976000?IS_KEY_S1=%E6%BC%94%E7%BF%92%E3%80%80%E4%BB%A3%E7%94%A8%E5%BC%BE&IS_KIND=detail&IS_STYLE=default&IS_TAG_S1=InD&
    (Title : Implementation of actual bullet shooting exercises)

    Page3


    1 : I apply for implemention of actual bullet shooting exercises
    2 : Shell useing  Substitute shell for Type89 Anti-Air gun   1000 shots
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    Re: Japan side

    Post by lockie on Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:40 pm

    Kibihiyo wrote:
    well...There is complex problem about this. I may not able to explain with my english sorry Crying or Very sad
    Kibihiyo, thanks for the detailed explanations! Your English is a very good! thumbsup
    I've shared the quantity of SP shells between AP and HE. I think SP shells should be left for the training missions. So, now we do have:
    APHE57_type92, 60, 0, 0;
    HE57_type90, 80, 0, 1;
    SP57_type90, 0, 0, 4;

    BTW
    HE57_type90, 80, 0, 1;
    Perhaps, this 0 is a number of the gun.

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