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    Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

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    Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by lockie on Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:02 pm

    I planned to make this mission a long time ago, but for some reasons only now I started to do it. This time mission will be devoted to tank KV-2. It's amazing tank! It was made as "siege tank". I mean "break through defence". The main idea of this tank was - destroying pillboxes. It was a slow machine with underpowered engine(means engine very quickly becomes overheated), bad transmission and long time gun reloading. It wasn't tank for the quick battle. It should work consequentially without hurry against unmovable targets. At this moment there are two missions with KV-2:
    - copycat from original mission (instead T-34)
    - mission on the real history by Deviator.
    Both missions weren't designed for the tank KV-2. That's why I decided to make a special scenario for such specific unit.
    As usually, mission will be fantastic and based on the fiction by Igor Bunich "Operation Thunder".
    Activity will take place on 7th July when Hitler once again delayed with "Barbarossa" and Stalin made a first strike to liberate the whole Europe from Nazi and bring Communism to all ppl in Europe who suffered under capitaliszm yoke. There will be strong defence with pillboxes, AA Guns 88mm and tank counter-attack: Pz.35(t)+couple Pz.IVF1
    Here's a history note. Hope Tanker will help me with proofreading!
    *****
    Test version is available here

    Post n#15 http://stasf2008.ephpbb.com/t53-testing-zone


    On July 7, when Hitler once again delayed Barbarossa, Stalin struck first to liberate the whole of Europe from the Nazis. "M" day had arrived.
    The artillery support is gaining strength. Soviet battalions and regiments are placed on alert near the border and get vodka. There are thunderous roars of "Hurray!" in the border forests. The troops has been read the military order of the Supreme Commander, Comrade Stalin:
    "It is time for payback! Soviet intelligence exposed Hitler's treachery and it is time to repay him for all the misdeeds and crimes! Miracle Warriors, the whole world is looking at you and waiting for liberation!"
    In violation of all established norms and prohibitions the soldiers have been notified of the number of Soviet troops, tanks, artillery, aircraft, and submarines which will take part in the liberation campaign. Over forest glades and clearings shouts of "Hurray!" thunder again. The endless columns of tanks move to the border on the forest and field roads, darkening the horizon with clouds of dust.
    "Do not be sorry about fire, wood grouse!", tankers laugh with grimy grins to deafened gunners. The roar of artillery fire which had been getting stronger and louder and reached a critical level, suddenly dropped. The ringing silence presses the ears. Then the fields are filled with masses of tanks and infantry. The clank of armor and furious, throaty, roar of the Soviet infantry erupt. The powder smoke and toxic fumes of the tanks' diesel engines mixed with the delicate aroma of wild flowers. Overhead, in wave after wave, hundreds of thousands of Soviet aircraft head west. The artillery, silenced for a minute, as if unwillingly, begins it's mighty conversation again. Artillery switches from artillery preparation to artillery support. The batteries start to "talk", concentrating their fire on distant targets. Slowly, but inexorably, the rate of fire increases again. More and more artillery regiments take part in the battle, joining a many voiced chorus of support.


    The Red Army will liberate the workers of all countries from the yoke of the landlords and capitalists!
    Main Political Department of the RKKA, 1928


    What suppose to be implemented:
    - destroyable object "Dry logs" (ready 15.10.2014)
    - destroyable object "Nazi flag" (ready 17.10.2014)
    - destroyable "EU house #5" (ready 03.11.2014)
    - destroyable "Barn #3" (ready 26.10.2014)
    - destroyable object "Bruno wire" (ready 20.10.2014)
    - object "Grape-vine fence" (ready 20.10.2014)
    - object "NO vine on fence" (ready 27.10.2014)
    - object "Iron fence" and "Iron fence gates" (ready 15.10.2014)
    - bush "Pumpkin" (ready 23.10.2014)
    - new artillery support "smoke cover", shell 122mm D-462, howitzer М30 1938 (ready 16.10.2014)
    - new polygon "sta_thunder" (ready 29.10.2014)
    Here's source file of the polygon: 4shared.com/file/-Ys0avDdce/sta_thunder.html

    Great thanks to:
    - 33lima (combat briefing style)
    - Donken (3d modeling)
    - Frinik (text briefing, scenario)
    - Nobiax (3d models)
    - Tanker (proofreading)
    - Will73 (KV-2 code adjusting, gunsight, artillery "smoke cover")
    - YL (3d modeling)


    This video will be before mission started:


    PS
    When I was young I took part as soldier in the November parade Smile


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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by Tanker on Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:56 pm

    lockie wrote:I planned to make this mission a long time ago, but for some reasons only now I started to do it. Activity will take place on 7th July when Hitler once again delayed with "Barbarossa" and Stalin made a first strike to liberate the whole Europe from Nazi.
    There will be strong defence with pillboxes, AA Guns 88mm and tank counter-attack: Pz.35(t)+couple Pz.IVF1
    Here's history note. It's draft translation. Hope Tanker will help me with proofreading!

    I'll be happy to help.
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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by lockie on Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:13 pm

    It's interesting, but I didn't find any pictures with KV-2 made as RKKA photos. All pictures has been made by German soldiers and has captured or lost KV-2. Anyway, history map is ready and been added to the briefing mission. It's time for the polygon creating Wink


    Under user's command will be 3 KV-2 and infantry platoon. There are other units, which take part in attack: 6x T-26, 1x infantry platoon. There will be artillery(with "smoke cover") and air support.
    German side, there will be depends on the balance:
    - 3x88mm AA guns
    - 2x37mm AT guns
    - 3xMG Pillboxes
    - 3x AT Pillboxes
    - 1x infantry platoon
    - 4x mortars
    I think victory will be achieved, if user will get superiority 4x times all over polygon or capture village and hold it during 3 minutes.


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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by lockie on Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:12 pm

    I think for the mission will be good to add Nazi flag in the middle of the village. It'll be kinda goal of the mission. Of course, flag`s model will be destroyable.

    Though, there are too many polygons for the first LOD. It needs to be decreased.
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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by lockie on Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:51 pm

    Draft polygon is ready and I decided to make test battle: 2x KV-2 against 3x MG and 3x AT pillboxes.
    Well, I may say sincerely u've only two choices to play for the KV-2:
    1. driver (good choice)
    2. commander (fast death and game over)
    Play as a gunner is almost impossible, coz u can't hit any target. In fact, KV-2 is a monster mortar on the tracks and it's gun has a very unpredictable trajectory. So, mission will be just for fun to have a shoot.
    As it appeared, KV-2 had a HUGE problem with turret rotating. It was possible only on the plain area, if tank got the bumped area - he became completely helpless, coz turret couldn't be moved. Same situation was when shell hit the base of turret and it became jammed.
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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by lockie on Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:50 pm

    Thanks to will73 now we've artillery support with "smoke shells". So, soviet attack will be under smoke cover. This new shell will seriously hit fps of the game, but it worth it  Cool
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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by frinik on Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:02 am

    Mission Thunder Scenario is ready and sent to you Generalissimo Lokievitch! bom
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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by lockie on Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:39 pm

    Monsieur Dumas, I've to say it's a great scenario! But it should be shortened a bit. Hope Chief of HQ 33lima will help us with that Cool

    Initial situation
    Operation Thunder.

    July 1941, Hitler has been forced, once more,to report his planned surprised attack on the Soviet Union. Initially programmed for May 1941 Unternehmen Barbarossa has been delayed due to logistical problems much top Hitler's rage and frustration. Meanwhile, his current ally, Joseph
    Stalin has finally accepted th evidence that both the British intelligence and his own NKVD had been telling him for month. Usually Hitler had been planning a sneak attack meant to destroy the Soviet Union and the Communist system. Always a cold calculator Stalin has ordered his men to pretend ignorance and has ordered the Stavka HQ to secretly plan a preventive strike designed to strike the Germans in occupied Poland and in a German-style lightning war to push all the way to the capital of the Reich and to destroy his treacherous ally.On 8th July 1941 after much stealth and concealment, 7 million Red Army soldiers, backed by 31 000 tanks and armoured vehicles, 16 000 artillery guns and 6800 planes are packed along the Bug river, awaiting the word from Stalin to launch their assault....

    Operation Thunder is the story of the offensive of a mixed infantry-tank Soviet platoon against German defensive positions near the village of Mazowiecka in Poland. It's barely 5 o'clock in the morning and already the sun has started illuminating the peaceful, rural landscape. This going to be a beautiful summer day, but Comrade Pavlo Mazepa, commander of the 152th assault battalion of the 6 Mechanized Corps the weather is the least of his preoccupations. He is sweating - not because of the rising heat - but nervously because of the impending assault. He knows Comrade Stalin does not take lightly to failure and he worries about the implication of failing to accomplish their mission and take Mazowiecka from the Fascists who are entrenched there. He knows the Germans have powerful Flak 88mm guns who in France the year before proved to be deadly instruments against French and British tank forces. The Germans are also well entrenched and have pillboxes, light anti guns, mortars and machine guns. The Wehrmacht is a seasoned army, well trained and equipped. If the element of surprise does not work as planned then there will be severe losses and possibly failure. He looks sideways at his Politruk (political commissar) and shivers when he thinks of the consequences.

    Common task
    His plan is simple. He has heavy 3 KV-2 tanks with their huge 152mm howitzer gun which will be used as a ram to destroys German fortified defences such as pillboxes and the dreaded 88mm gun emplacements. The KV-2s however are slow and despite their impressive armour protection poorly maneuverable, their turret can jam easily and it takes 25 seconds to reload a shell. He is counting on trusty T-26 light tanks to rush to both side of the village and take the Germans by surprise before they have the time to put up an organized defence. His infantry will deal with enemy trenches and MG nests. He has been promised artillery and air support. But his trump card is the use of an intense smoke screen to prevent the Germans from targeting his tanks and infantry while they cross the kill zone on the hilly slope between their starting position and the outskirt of the village.

    Mazepa checks his watch, it's 5:10 AM. Time to address his men before the start Operation Thunder along the 600 kilometers long front planned for 5:20 AM the time when the men of the Wehrmacht will be in their deepest sleep and less likely to react quickly. In a raspy voice he addresses his 250 men gathered around him and reads aloud Stalin's message:

    "Comrades, soldiers of the glorious Red Army of the peasants and workers of the Soviet Union. Today is a day of reckoning. Despite the ever peaceful nature of our Soviet Motherland The German Fascists had been planning a treacherous attack against us in violation the non aggression treaty that we signed with them less than 2 years ago. These vile capitalist snakes intend to crush and occupy our Socialist Motherland, enslaving our proud proletariat and turning our cities and countryside into ashes. The Fascists are planning to reduce our country to a mere source of food and raw materials while our men and women would toil to death feeding the profits of the capitalist clique in power in Germany! But the Fascists have badly miscalculated and today is payback time! We are going to crush them under our boots and make them experience the bitter taste of defeat at the hand of a free, Socialist proletariat defender of all working and oppressed masses in the World united in their struggle against imperialism ands fascism. Let's free our Polish and French brothers let's stomp the beast in its lair in Berlin! Forward Comrades and disregard our losses! We won't stop until the last of us is dead fighting to free mankind from the yoke of Capitalist oppression!"...

    Comrades!, said Mazepa "You heard our Father of All the People, let's move forward and teach the Fascists a lesson they won't forget!"...

    Your task
    After short, initial air and artillery strikes to soften the German positions we will deploy as follows:
    - in the center the 3 KV-2s will advance under cover of a smoke screen. Once they are within sight of the German lines they will pound the pillboxes and Flak positions. The German 88mm must be silenced quickly before they can inflict damage to our tanks.
    - Our T26s will be used to attack the Nazi defences on the right and left flanks to destroy the lighter anti-tank gun and mortar emplacements. The infantry will take cover behind the KV-2 s and then rush to over-run German infantry trenches and MGs.
    We will prevail thanks to surprise, speed and the smoke screen.
    Comrades! For Stalin, For Socialism, For all the Oppressed masses waiting for our victory Hurraaah!


    PS
    I think part of this text I may enclose to the post-mission screen.


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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by lockie on Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:09 pm

    Polygon is getting more detailed and here we're with some new screens from the polygon sta_thunder.

    This is some kind of prefecture(Village hall). (I'd like to remind that object "Nazi flag" is destroyable Wink)


    Test to destroy by pushing the object "Nazi flag".


    Big pillbox on the flank of the German defence.


    Draft plan of the village Mazowiecka. There are no new EU house and barn yet.


    German "Defence line #1"


    Smoke cover.
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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by frinik on Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:04 am

    What part do you think needs shortening?

    I know replace Forwaaaard by Hurraaah! There we cut 2 letters.... Shocked

    Very interesting map looks like it's perfect for your missions!
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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by lockie on Sat Oct 18, 2014 11:30 am

    frinik wrote:What part do you think needs shortening?
    I'd like to short initial situation and place this text on the post-mission screen.
    Operation Thunder.
    July 1941, Hitler has been forced, once more,to report his planned surprised attack on the Soviet Union. Initially programmed for May 1941 Unternehmen Barbarossa has been delayed due to logistical problems much top Hitler's rage and frustration. Meanwhile, his current ally, Joseph
    Stalin has finally accepted th evidence that both the British intelligence and his own NKVD had been telling him for month. Usually Hitler had been planning a sneak attack meant to destroy the Soviet Union and the Communist system. Always a cold calculator Stalin has ordered his men to pretend ignorance and has ordered the Stavka HQ to secretly plan a preventive strike designed to strike the Germans in occupied Poland and in a German-style lightning war to push all the way to the capital of the Reich and to destroy his treacherous ally.On 8th July 1941 after much stealth and concealment, 7 million Red Army soldiers, backed by 31 000 tanks and armoured vehicles, 16 000 artillery guns and 6800 planes are packed along the Bug river, awaiting the word from Stalin to launch their assault....


    Very interesting map looks like it's perfect for your missions!
    I`m making map exactly for the mission with KV-2 Wink
    Found another problem of this tank. I'm shocked!
    Only high-explosive shells with reduced propellant charge were used for KV-2's gun. No armor-piercing(AP) and concrete-piercing(CP)
    ammo used. It was allowed to use Naval Semi-AP Round M.1915/28. However that ammo used only in Red Navies. It was absent in Red Army's warehouses. Despite some modern sources, the usage of AP and CP ammunition was prohibited. It was specially highlighted in the KV-2's Operational Manual. The problem was with its big recoil. It definitely jammed KV's turret.
    Untill the middle of 1941 Soviet engineed tried to develop a special CP projectile for KV-2, but unsuccessful and then Germany invades to the USSR so all further works were stopped at all.


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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by lockie on Sat Oct 18, 2014 3:28 pm

    That's a very curious screen Smile Flak 88mm didn't penetrate, but 50mm shell did it twice with KV-1 (ekran)! from ~1km.

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    Post by frinik on Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:35 pm

    I have noticed that sometime high velocity hell in this game will bounce whereas slower ones will penetrate...

    Good idea the initial situation is not important or critical to the mission it could be posted as a background explanation as you rightfully suggested!
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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by lockie on Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:35 am

    OK, we've draft text for the history and tasks. Now the main efforts will be applied to the polygon. Here's a screen, which should look like typical Poland house Wink At least I imagine so  Cool
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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by 33lima on Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:44 pm

    Hi Olexa

    here is a 'militarised' version of the mission intro and the briefing. They are well written and it is a shame to change them...but they are FAR too long. And too much is said as if we are reading the mind of the Red Army force commander Comrade Colonel Mazepa, when these things should be said by Mazepa to the player and the other commanders (I have given the player a name too, in the mission intro - every mission intro or briefing should tell the player who he is and what he commands, maybe a little also of what is going on - a 'battle picture' as we call telling troops before an exercise, what is supposed to be happening).

    So, as usual for me I have put things which were in a different place into a (short!!) version of proper military orders. Also as usual for me I have used NATO format for these orders, because it is:

    (i) simply a very effective way of telling troops (or sim players!) what they are to do in the mission
    (ii) realistic and
    (iii) because it was in use by British and US armies in WW2 and in wide use today, will be familiar to many players who have real military experience - it is a good thing if SF briefings are up to the same sort of standard as Steel Beasts!

    I have kept it simple as this is a sim and we do not want to deter or bore anyone!

    I was tempted to delete Stalin's speech. It is a nice touch and immersive but it is a bit long and so it dominates the orders, the bit the player really needs to pay attention to. Anyway I ended up leaving it in.

    As an effective mission briefing, the whole thing would really work as well or better, with just the 'mission intro' and the part of the briefing that begins with 'Comrades' says the Comrade Colonel...'

    PS a weakness here is that we are describing a battalion operation, but the mission is actually for a re-inforced company (3 tank platoons plus a squad or two of infantry). To be strictly realistic, the Comrade Colonel should be a Comrade Major (a company commander) AND we should be naming the force for the mission as the First (or Second or Third) Company of the 152nd Assault Battalion, not the full battalion.

    Ivor


    OPERATION THUNDER

    [for mission intro screen, not briefing]
    July 1941. Hitler has been forced, once more, to delay Unternehmen Barbarossa, his planned surprise attack on the Soviet Union.

    Meanwhile, his unlikely ally, Joseph Stalin, has finally accepted the evidence that both the British intelligence and his own NKVD had been telling him for months - that Hitler means to attack and destroy the Soviet Union.

    So it is that on 8th July 1941, seven million Red Army soldiers, backed by 31 000 tanks and armoured vehicles, 16 000 artillery guns and 6800 planes, have been assembled in total secrecy, packed along the River Bug, awaiting the word from Stalin to launch their pre-emptive assault. History will now be re-written - Operation Thunder is about to begin....



    [Mission briefing]
    You are Comrade Lieutenant Vasily Chuikov, commanding a platoon of KV-2 heavy tanks with a squad of attached Red Army infantry. You're in an assembly area just east of the German defensive positions near the village of Mazowiecka in Poland. It's barely 5 o'clock in the morning and already the sun has started illuminating the peaceful, rural landscape. This going to be a beautiful summer day, but for your boss, Comrade Colonel Pavlo Mazepa, commander of the 152th Assault Battalion of the 6 Mechanized Corps, the weather is the least of his preoccupations. You can see that he is sweating - not because of the rising heat - but nervously, because of the impending assault. He knows Comrade Stalin does not take failure lightly. He looks sideways at his Politruk (political commissar) and shivers when he thinks of the consequences.

    Mazepa checks his watch; it's 05:10 hours - 20 minutes to 'H Hour'. He stands up to address you and his other sub-unit commanders. In a raspy voice he reads aloud Stalin's message:

    "Comrades, soldiers of the glorious Red Army of the peasants and workers of the Soviet Union. Today is a day of reckoning. Despite the ever peaceful nature of our Soviet Motherland The German Fascists had been planning a treacherous attack against us in violation the non aggression treaty that we signed with them less than 2 years ago. These vile capitalist snakes intend to crush and occupy our Socialist Motherland, enslaving our proud proletariat and turning our cities and countryside into ashes. The Fascists are planning to reduce our country to a mere source of food and raw materials while our men and women would toil to death feeding the profits of the capitalist clique in power in Germany! But the Fascists have badly miscalculated and today is payback time! We are going to crush them under our boots and make them experience the bitter taste of defeat at the hand of a free, Socialist proletariat defender of all working and oppressed masses in the World united in their struggle against imperialism ands fascism. Let's free our Polish and French brothers let's stomp the beast in its lair in Berlin! Forward Comrades and disregard our losses! We won't stop until the last of us is dead fighting to free mankind from the yoke of Capitalist oppression!"

    'Comrades!' continues the Comrade Colonel, 'you heard our Father of All the People! Let's move forward and teach the Fascists a lesson they won't forget!

    Now listen carefully, comrades, here are your orders!

    Ground
    Look at your maps now! Note the location of our objective, Mazowiecka. See the enemy defensive positions nearby, marked in  blue. Now, note the red arrow, pointing up a slope towards the village - this is the main axis of our advance. Finally, note the positions where our own tanks and infantry have now formed up, also marked in red.

    Situation
    The Fascists are dug in around Mazowiecka in weak company strength, supported by medium mortars, light AT guns and some of the powerful dual-purpose 88mm weapons. Some MGs are sited in concrete pillboxes.

    Our battalion is now deployed in line of platoons, in dead ground 500m from the nearest enemy positions. We have air and artillery support available. An infantry squad has been attached to our KV platoon.

    Mission
    152 Assault battalion will attack and destroy the enemy forces in and around Mazowiecka. I repeat, we will attack and destroy the enemy around Mazowiecka.

    Execution
    At H minus 2, artillery and aircraft will begin strikes on the enemy positions and rear areas. At H-Hour, artillery will put down a smoke screen between us and Mazowiecka. This should mimimise casualties during our advance over open ground, until we get close to the objective.

    Our three tank platoons will attack in line of platoons, with the KV platoon in the centre and a T-26 platoon on each flank.

    Each platoon will advance at its own best speed, direct to the objective and will destroy the enemy there.

    Priority targets for tanks and infantry will be gun and MG positions. In particular, get those 88s quickly - they are the enemy's most dangerous weapons!

    Comrade Lieutenant Chuikov, the infantry will follow close behind your KVs and occupy the Fascist positions, so be sure your tanks destroy their heavy weapons and pillboxes. You are playing the key part in this operation - so don't screw it up!

    Comrades! We will prevail thanks to surprise, speed and the smoke screen.For Stalin, for Socialism, for all the Oppressed Masses waiting for our victory. Hurraaah!

    Edit - thought I had posted this as a message to Olexa but it's ended up here...anyway...

    Have been having fun playing KVs of late and looking forward to trying this out. As for smoke, I wonder is it possible to give tanks a smoke shell or two, as in Panzer Elite? Even if not always realistic, this would be a good way of simulating the common ability and practice of WW2 tanks to lay local smoke screens, whether by firing a shell, throwing a grenade, droping smoke candles or firing a small turret-mounted mortar like the British or late German ones.


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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by frinik on Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:32 am

    Excellent culling Lima33, just what the doctor ordered. cheers cheers

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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by Txema on Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:56 pm

    Hi 33lima !

    Very nice mission intro and briefing. It is an excellent ressult of your cooperation with Olexa and Frinik. Really nice !!

    I remember that you were working on several training missions for Steel Fury. Any news on them? I am really looking forward to those training missions Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by lockie on Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:23 pm

    Hi, 33lima! This is good briefing! Though, I'd like text from Frinik more Smile
    But this new text is more suitable to the situation and I really appreciate er help! Thank u very much!  I'll put in some changes such as replace Fascist on Nazi(coz Fascist were in Italy), the name of main hero will be Lieutenant Mykola Galushko and rank of Pavlo Mazepa will be Major. Also I'd like to put in a couple phrases abt gunner Sarge Sergo Kvirikashvili. Smth. like that:
    It won't be easy walk, thought to yourself Lieutenant Galushko. Then he forward to his gunner Kvirikashvili. Look dude, I need your maximum concentration. These 88mm Flak are very dangerous! My crew will rely on your skill as a sniper in the current battle. You'd better don't screw us up. If everything goes well, then be prepare to be promoted to the medal of Courage!

    General Frinik, I'd like u to give my couple phrases more literature sense and add smth. at er taste:) Of course, if possible.

    Have been having fun playing KVs of late and looking forward to trying this out.
    I may assure that play for the KV-2 will be a real mess Very Happy


    As for smoke, I wonder is it possible to give tanks a smoke shell or two, as in Panzer Elite? Even if not always realistic, this would be a good way of simulating the common ability and practice of WW2 tanks to lay local smoke screens, whether by firing a shell, throwing a grenade, droping smoke candles or firing a small turret-mounted mortar like the British or late German ones.
    It's possible, but i don't want to put it in the STA, coz it'll be completely unrealistic. I'll make additional patch let's say "Smoke shells". U install it and it'll give for some tanks smoke grenades (Actually, I thought abt it almost one year ago. Idea was to equip soldiers with smoke grenade, but for some reasons it wasn't implemented yet. Hope will73 get it over!)
    Which tanks u'd like to equip with smoke shells?

    PS
    Who knows, may be we will give to Mykola Galushko another mission to defend village Mazowieka from the strong Nazi counter-attack bom
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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by 33lima on Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:27 pm

    Hi lockie

    I agree the original text is superior and more interesting to read, in a literary sense. For a simulation tho it's necessary to simulate how the military say these things! To keep it simple I have left out quite a lot like where the platoons are to go after clearing the objective (what the British call the 'Re-organisation' phase) which would normally mean the platoons forming up in an arc facing the enemy, ready for any  counterattack (as you provided in 'Dust in the Wind!). Also left out is anything on communications and supply.

    Anyway it's good that the boss is now a Comrade Major company commander and the player is one of the Comrade Lieutenants in charge of one of the tank platoons in this company-sized operation.

    You might want to change the way I have described the infantry, following the player's KVs, because I see a pic of them acting as 'tank riders'. Can the player command the infantry? Does he have to tell them when to dismount and where to go after that? The orders are written for the infantry being scripted to start behind the player on foot, move direct to the objective and there occupy the German trenches - like the infantry in 'Dust in the Wind'. If your intention in this mission is that the infantry ride on the KVs and the player has to tell them what to do, we might need to re-write that a little, to explain this to the player.

    As for tank smoke, I think all tanks/AFVs should be able to make smoke (infantry too, really!). Different tanks had different methods. Early German ones often had a box of smoke candles on the rear plate that the crew could release from within the tank. Drop a candle or two, then reverse into the smoke screen. Later German tanks like early Tigers and Panthers and 1943 model Panzer III and IV had 3 smoke dischargers either side of the turret, firing forwards. Late Panzers had a Nahverteidigungswaffe in a rotating mount in the turret roof which could fire either a smoke grenade or an S-mine type grenade for self-defence (tho not all tanks actually had one fitted due to shortages in supply).

    British tanks early war had turret-mounted smoke dischargers (for example, Matilda), later ones like Cromwells and British Shermans had small rotating smoke mortars in the turret roof, as later adopted by the Germans.

    All tanks of all nations could simply drop or throw smoke grenades from hatches. And some will have had smoke shells.

    So I think it would be entirely realistic to give every tank (every AFV in fact) the ability to produce a small smoke screen. If it has to be the same for everybody, and it is possible to do in the first place, let them create a screen about 10m ahead, better still in a chosen direction, which is a sort of compromise between the various capabilities. If it is possible and not excessive work, it would be ideal to give each AFV the capability to lay a smoke screen the way it could, in real life.

    Use of temporary, local smoke screens is actually a significant and important tactic for both AFVs and infantry. It would be good to have this - provided of course the AI and the player cannot see through the smoke! I think there are keys for this in the SF manual but they don't work?

    Even if there is no AI routine to 'pop smoke' (AI tanks in M1 Tank Platoon did this often when hit hard) then it would be useful for the player to be able to use it. Maybe just once or twice a mission.
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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by 33lima on Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:42 pm

    Txema wrote:Hi 33lima !

    Very nice mission intro and briefing. It is an excellent ressult of your cooperation with Olexa and Frinik. Really nice !!

    I remember that you were working on several training missions for Steel Fury. Any news on them? I am really looking forward to those training missions Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


    Txema

    Hi Txema!

    sorry no progress yet on Tiger training missions as I have a couple of (plastic) model-making projects taking up most of my time (and have been on holiday!). But I still plan to try to make at least one and if it works, then the others.

    I did try once to make a realistic Panzer Elite multi-phase attack mission for a Churchill squadron supporting an infantry company in Normandy - South of Hill 112, it was called. Boy, I went to town on that! Realistic written and spoken briefing using the WW2 British Army format for oral orders; realistic deployment and mission, with three Chruchill troops attacking 'two up' in support of the 'Jocks' on foot; realistic radio messages from different units, including the imaginary force commander. Problem was tho it seemed to work a few times, just as often, a tank troop would get stuck somewhere for no apparent reason, a trigger would not fire,a nd messages would not play nor other units move as they should. I had also started making some 'Yankeepak' missions with Stugumby, but these never got far. Problems with the Mission Editor/AI, or my inability to get more realistic results from it. I would like to try debugging that mission properly one day. But for now I would like to see how far I can get with making (my idea of) a highly realistic mission for SF (instead of just lecturing others with 'wot I think'). And with my favourite SF tank, the magnificent late production Tiger I. Though these new Shermans are tempting and a Sherman Firefly would be great! Thanks for the encouragement - with Lockie's continued help (he's already made the training ground) I'll try!
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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by 33lima on Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:59 pm

    lockie wrote:Hi,  I'll put in some changes such as replace Fascist on Nazi(coz Fascist were in Italy),

    PS
    I use 'Fascists' for these things (probably, like Frinik originally) because in articles and books published in English, that's how Soviet writers often refer to the Germans/Nemetski - as 'Fascists'. Just as German accounts often use 'Ivans' for the Soviets. To my mind using such terms gives a certain flavour of the times to these things, even if it is not politically correct or even accurate - many of the Germans were neither Nazis and certainly not Italian Fascist Party members and probably few of the Soviets were called 'Ivan'!

    PPS on the other hand, whether his real name was Ivan or not, I don't think a 1941 Soviet tank commander would address his gunner as 'Dude' Very Happy

    I think the best place for this would be right at the end. The Comrade Major has finished his orders. The player character then turns to look at his his gunner and says 'You had better not miss' etc as you had written it - but calling him something a bit more contemporary than 'dude'. Would it not have been common to address the gunner using his first two names like 'Viktor Ivanovitch, I need your maximum concentration!...'


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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by 33lima on Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:05 pm

    Hi folks

    here's an updated intro and briefing, with the changes Lockie has suggested. I have also provided an optional, alternative paragraph, if the infantry are to be 'tank riders' which the player must command.

    I don't know if 'Assault Battalion' was a real unit designation in the 1941 Red Army and I'm also not sure if KV-2s fought in mixed companies with T-26s but it doesn't really matter much and giving the player the key role and the most powerful tanks probably makes for a more interesting mission.


    OPERATION THUNDER

    [for mission intro screen, not briefing]
    July 1941. Hitler has been forced, once more, to delay Unternehmen Barbarossa, his planned surprise attack on the Soviet Union.

    Meanwhile, his unlikely ally, Joseph Stalin, has finally accepted the evidence that both the British intelligence and his own NKVD had been telling him for months - that Hitler means to attack and destroy the Soviet Union.

    So it is that on 8th July 1941, seven million Red Army soldiers, backed by 31 000 tanks and armoured vehicles, 16 000 artillery guns and 6800 planes, have been assembled in total secrecy, packed along the River Bug, awaiting the word from Stalin to launch their pre-emptive assault. History will now be re-written - Operation Thunder is about to begin....



    [Mission briefing]
    You are Comrade Lieutenant Mykola Galushko, commanding a platoon of KV-2 heavy tanks with a squad of attached Red Army infantry. You're in an assembly area just east of the German defensive positions near the village of Mazowiecka in Poland. It's barely 5 o'clock in the morning and already the sun has started illuminating the peaceful, rural landscape. This going to be a beautiful summer day, but for your boss, Comrade Major Pavlo Mazepa, commander of the First Company, 152th Assault Battalion of the 6 Mechanized Corps, the weather is the least of his preoccupations. You can see that he is sweating - not because of the rising heat - but nervously, because of the impending assault. He knows Comrade Stalin does not take failure lightly. He looks sideways at his Politruk (political commissar) and shivers when he thinks of the consequences.

    Mazepa checks his watch. It's 05:10 hours - 20 minutes to 'H Hour'. He stands up to address you and his other sub-unit commanders. In a raspy voice, he reads aloud Stalin's message:

    "Comrades, soldiers of the glorious Red Army of Peasants and Workers of the Soviet Union! Today is a day of reckoning. Despite the ever-peaceful nature of our Soviet Motherland the German Fascists had been planning a treacherous attack against us in violation the non-aggression treaty that we signed with them less than 2 years ago. These vile capitalist snakes intend to crush and occupy our Socialist Motherland, enslaving our proud proletariat and turning our cities and countryside into ashes. The Fascists would reduce our country to a mere source of food and raw materials while our men and women toil to death, feeding the profits of the capitalist clique who now rule Germany! But the Fascists have badly miscalculated and today is payback time! We are going to crush them under our boots and make them experience the bitter taste of defeat at the hand of a free, Socialist proletariat defender of all working and oppressed masses in the World, united in their struggle against imperialism and fascism. Let's free our Polish and French brothers! Let's stomp the beast in its lair in Berlin! Forward Comrades and disregard our losses! We won't stop until we've freed mankind from the yoke of Capitalist oppression!"

    'Comrades!' continues the Comrade Major, 'you heard our Father of All the People! Let's go and teach those Fascists a lesson they won't forget!

    'Now listen carefully, comrades, here are your orders!'

    Ground
    Look at your maps now! Note the location of our objective, Mazowiecka. See the enemy defensive positions nearby, marked in  blue. Now, note the red arrow, pointing up a slope towards the village - this is the main axis of our advance. Finally, note the positions where our own tanks and infantry have now formed up, also marked in red.

    Situation
    The Fascists are dug in around Mazowiecka in weak company strength, supported by medium mortars, light AT guns and some of the powerful dual-purpose 88mm weapons. They have some MGs in concrete pillboxes.

    We in First Company are now deployed in line of platoons, in dead ground, 500m from the nearest enemy positions. We have air and artillery support available. An infantry squad has been attached to our KV platoon.

    Mission
    First Company, 152 Assault Battalion will attack and destroy the enemy forces in and around Mazowiecka. I repeat, we will attack and destroy the enemy around Mazowiecka.

    Execution
    At H minus 2, artillery and aircraft will begin hitting the enemy forward positions and rear areas. At H-Hour, artillery will put down a smoke screen between us and Mazowiecka. This should mimimise casualties during our advance over the open ground, until we get close to the objective.

    Our three tank platoons will attack in line of platoons, with the KV platoon in the centre and a T-26 platoon on each flank.

    Each platoon will advance at its own best speed, direct to the objective and will destroy the enemy there.

    Priority targets for tanks and infantry will be gun and MG positions. In particular, get those 88s quickly - they are the enemy's most dangerous weapons!

    Comrade Lieutenant Galushko, the infantry will follow close behind your KVs and occupy the Fascist positions. Be sure your tanks destroy their heavy weapons and pillboxes, quickly. You are playing the key part in this operation - so don't screw it up!

    [or - if the infantry are 'tank riders' which the player must control - use this instead - Comrade Lieutenant Galushko, the infantry will ride on your KVs. Once you are close to the objectve - or if you come under direct fire - tell them to dismount and move to Mazowiecka and to go on the defensive there. Be sure your tanks destroy their heavy weapons and pillboxes, quickly. You are playing the key part in this operation - so don't screw it up!

    Comrades! We will prevail thanks to surprise, speed and the smoke screen. For Stalin, for Socialism, for all the Oppressed Masses waiting for our victory. Za Stalina! Za rodinu! Hurraaah!

    As the Comrade Major finishes, you think to yourself, 'Galushko, you are right in the middle of this one!' You turn to your gunner, Sergeant Kvirikashvili, and look him sternly in the eyes. 'Valisli Ivanovitch, I need your maximum concentration! These 88mm Flak guns are very dangerous! Our crew's lives will depend on your shooting, so you'd better not screw us up. How today ends is up to you - a medal or a wooden cross. Choose wisely, and shoot straight!'
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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by frinik on Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:38 am

    Esteemed Towaritch Lockie, let's use the term Hitlerites which the Soviets also used as substitute for Fascists.The term Nazi was more used by Western Allies....

    As for Lieutenant Galushko here's my version of his speech:

    Lieutenant Galushko mused to himself: ... " This is not going to be a walk in the park !". He then turned to his gunner Kvirikashvili and said: " Look Kvirya, I need you to concentrate so hard on the upcoming battle that I'll be seeing grey matter spouting out of your thick Georgian skull! These Hitlerites 88mm Flak guns are as dangerous as snakes! All of us peasants depend on your eagle eyes and deft fairy fingers to give the Fascists a nice funeral rather than they doing us the favour. Don't fuck up and I can promise you that I'll be personally pinning a shiny Medal for Courage on your skinny chest!"
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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by lockie on Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:56 pm

    Excellent! cheers Very Happy  Razz

    PS
    24.10.2014
    New "Barn #3" is in the game! Though, it doesn't look as `euro barn`, but who cares Very Happy


    Great thanks to YL for the model!
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    Re: Mission: Operation "Thunder" (KV-2) (under progress)

    Post by frinik on Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:07 pm

    May I suggest putting the barns on grass rather than on that flat-top? It does not look realistic!

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